Why I've decided not to buy, or own, SH5 (and I hope Ubi reads this)

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by schlechter pfennig

Actually, you're talking about a 'video game'. I've been consistently referring to a promised simulation that falls short of my expectations. And I haven't been depending upon anyone to inform me as to whether or not I'd enjoy SH5. I've been using their comments, critiques and criticisms to determine just what said 'product' delivers.

And the fact that you feel a need to refer to me as 'a misinformed drone' and to insinuate that I've been 'posting trash' speaks more volumes about your character than it does the rationale behind my original post.

As to the majority of the other respondents here, I've deeply appreciated your comments, critiques, suggestions and advice.

ok, since you brought it up, lets take a look at your op in a shorter summarized form shall we.

in order
- i dont own and i dont plan on owning nor have i even played sh5
- i need a new computer to run this
- drm is the devil
- i wanted sh3 on steroids
- we shouldn't have to install mods to fix it. ubi should've learned by now


nothing new here at all. so while you defend your post and speak to its originality and fine points, mostly everyone else here sees it for what it is i'm sure. most of us post here on the sh5 forum because we own and play sh5. why do you post here on the sh5 forum?

[Brag]

[QUOTE=Moeceefus;


nothing new here at all. so while you defend your post and speak to its originality and fine points, mostly everyone else here sees it for what it is i'm sure. most of us post here on the sh5 forum because we own and play sh5. why do you post here on the sh5 forum?[/QUOTE]

Because it concerns SH5 regardless whether you own it or not

Besides, you don't own it, you just get access to UBI servers which authorize you to use the software stored on your PC.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by schlechter pfennig

I appreciate our modders here more than words can say. They do incredible work and often seem taken for granted. But I expected a complete, (reasonably) finished simulation. I say reasonably because only someone detached from reality could conceivably expect every bug to be discovered, no matter how hard the developers searched for them.

I also expected, and anticipated, a U-boat simulation a quantum leap higher than its predecessor, SHIII. And when it comes to graphics, it certainly does. It just seems to have some very serious flaws.

However, after reading no few of the posts here, I'll keep watch on how things develop. Ubi might surprise me after all. Stranger things have happened. Most certainly the modders here will be doing their dead-level best to improve things.

To be honest I really think that your expectations are way too high and that's why I asked you to comment.

The game you described as your "ideal" subsim I'll be honest I loved, but now you be honest - apart from us here on subsim who would actually buy that? (I'm thinking Steal Beasts here)

You see for one thing they would have to charge £100+ for the amount of time that would go into developing a sim like that. I don't reckon many casual gamers would be interested.

What they have done is make a game in a simlar vein to SH3 , as I said earlier an arcady submarine game that can be modded into a proper simulation. I for one am happy about that.

@Moeceefus

He brought it up in the SH5 forum because its a discussion about SH5. I think you are letting the trolls that have stuck their oars in get to you a little matey. Nothing that schlechter pfennig has said has been out of order IMO, a little blinkered perhaps but not completely out of order.

[ddrgn]

Originally Posted by Brag

Because it concerns SH5 regardless whether you own it or not

Besides, you don't own it, you just get access to UBI servers which authorize you to use the software stored on your PC.

Your just jealous SH5 looks sooooo much better than SH4 and your rig won't run it!

Other than that your posts, your rants, your wasted time, means nothing. You don't have the game, so you cannot comment on its performance....

Go back general topics until you can afford a rig. I can help you with setting up mods when you get better machine!

Take care!

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Brag

Besides, you don't own it, you just get access to UBI servers which authorize you to use the software stored on your PC.

Originally Posted by Brag

I wholy agree and support your comments. Unfortunately, some newcomers have not yet learned the etiquette of these forums. Give them a break, they are yet to learn how to act as an officer and a gentleman, which is the standard for Subsim .

And I'm gonna keep quoting that bottom quote each time you troll Brag!

[Moeceefus]

@Moeceefus

"He brought it up in the SH5 forum because its a discussion about SH5. I think you are letting the trolls that have stuck their oars in get to you a little matey. Nothing that schlechter pfennig has said has been out of order IMO, a little blinkered perhaps but not completely out of order."


this is true and i apologize.

[Brag]

The attack was expected. Excellent opportunity to put accents on poster mentalities. Let them hang for everyone to see. I seldom respond to attacks. Thank you, gentlemen!

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by Brag

Besides, you don't own it, you just get access to UBI servers which authorize you to use the software stored on your PC.

i have no doubt that if ubi ever drops sh5 from thier servers that they will patch it out as they have stated. if you can point me in a direction where this hasn't been the case(besides an mmo) i will be happy to don the foil hat with you

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Brag

The attack was expected. Excellent opportunity to put accents on poster mentalities. Let them hang for everyone to see. I seldom respond to attacks. Thank you, gentlemen!

Also a fairly typical Troll response - not me , it's you lot.

I used to respect you..

[Feuer Frei!]

Geeze Louise, cut the guy (schlechter pfennig) some slack.
It's an opinion for goodness sake, sure he doesn't own the game... so what?
He's made some valid observations of the game, which i happen to agree with, and, i'm a game owner.
Big deal, move on.
Neeeext!

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Geeze Louise, cut the guy (schlechter pfennig) some slack.
It's an opinion for goodness sake, sure he doesn't own the game... so what?
He's made some valid observations of the game, which i happen to agree with, and, i'm a game owner.
Big deal, move on.
Neeeext!

As I stated my beef isn't with him. His posts have been both articulate and intelligent

It's the usual one line unfunny jokes from others I find tiresome.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

As I stated my beef isn't with him. His posts have been both articulate and intelligent

It's the usual one line unfunny jokes from others I find tiresome.

I know Robbo180265, just the ignorant posts of "he doesn't own the game so he shouldn't post anything" stuff is what i'm talking about.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by Brag

you don't own it, you just get access to UBI servers which authorize you to use the software stored on your PC.

Well, I think Brag has a good point here. I'm not paying for software unless you actually sell me the software you know? If it's permission that you are selling well it should be way cheaper, say $10 or £5 that would be reasonable. They do tell you that a permanent internet connection is required in order to play the game, but when do they tell you that whilst you thought you were buying a piece of software, that actually you are not and they are going to keep it? Is that before or after the sale?

I understand the software producers wanting to protect their creations, It's a real shame that Ubisoft has decided that this is the best way of doing it, but we only have the pirates to blame. The graphics look great and I'm sure the patches+modders will turn this into the best (albeit the only contemporary) subsim around in the end, and eventually the price will drop to a reasonable level IMO for what they are actually selling (permission to use their software) and at that time I will buy it.

[Feuer Frei!]

On a lighter note:
@ schlechter pfennig, i like your forum name
How did you come up with that one?

[ddrgn]

Notice how these posts bring out the online Jesus's....

Learn to communicate,be nice, mom to son lectures etc.....

Come on, Brag deserves every bit of this....

He is some spill over from the DRM controversy, he lives and breathes for moments like this.... and the "holier than thou", subsimmers come out of the woodwork top defend him. What about the right to defend a perfectly perfect game that got caught in the spotlight that was DRM.

Brag will waste more of our time reading/responding to his posts than the rest of us waiting for DRM to load...