The facts of life: A heartfelt defense of Ubisoft and DRM

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by NefariousKoel

We like poking the corporate goose-stepping stooge. It's amusing how much of a D-bag you prove to be.

that's the spirit! let's stoop to personal insults, how mature, how adult...

How about a good old fashioned lynching? would you like that kiddies? they used to be very popular in the south.

I dont know why the moderators dont just lock this thread, this turning into a farce..

[tomoose]

I thought my misgivings about the game would prove groundless and I'd be jumping on board (pun intended) and rushing out to by the game. So far it looks like I dodged a bullet LOL. I wonder how SH5 sales are going so far. I'm certainly not in a rush now to buy it.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Skullcowboy

I wondered when you would jump on that bandwagon. Piracy is not theft. It is copyright infringement. There are bookloads of law specifically devoted to it and if you are caught doing it that is what you are prosecuted for. Not theft. If I steal a shirt, a tangible good, the owner of the shirt has lost the ability to sell that shirt. If I make a copy of a program, the owner of the program can still sell more copies. I condone neither copyright infringement nor theft, but if you are going to blather, at least get it right.

piracy is theft. That much is crystal clear.

copyright infringement is totally different, that is when you have the color of a right. A pirate does'nt, he is a thief.

[Catfish]

Hello MattDizzle, Trenken, our UBI spokesman, whoever.
since you begged for it:

" ... But i am saying that the cost of making a game skyrockets in line with the ridiculous increase in computing power over time, what used to take a team of 5 or 10 a few months may take 100 people years to make. ..."

Now let' see. Computers and data mass storage are cheaper than ever. The cost of making a game "skyrockets" ? You may not be aware that with the object programming there are tons of prefabricated routines you can use, to shorten programming drastically. The real TIME you need nowadays is for historic research and making the models right ok, and maybe for a new engine, which is mostly bought and not programmed by the dev team.

And how big do you think the SH 5 team was ? 100 persons, really ? I don't think so. 1-2 years time of development - perfectly normal interval, this is how long it took years ago also.
Has anybody heard that the wages especially for programmers have risen in the last years, let alone making up for inflation
hehehe - sure manager's loans have risen, to ridiculous blown-up and thoroughly undeserved peaks.


" ... Tell me this, do you think a company has a responsibility to deliver a quality product, even if this might hurt the amount of money that they make? ..."

Yes. But do you want to say that SH 5 is a well developed product ??! UBI obviously made its money with an unfinished product, the real quality being the ideas of the dev team, not the publisher with its deadline and greed.
Yes again, i would think a company has this responsability, only that UBI failed big time here.

" ... Remember that the money you spend on a game is putting food on someones table, and if it wasnt for the assult charges that would follow i would personally kick every pirate i could find squarely in the nuts. I'm not talking about big whigs in suits, im talking about someone they hire to sweep the floors or someone to keep all the windows vista computers from crapping out, someone who takes phone calls or arranges travel for employees. ..."

What ?


" ... Stealing is a crime, and it has its victims. Screw the word "Piracy", that makes it sound cool, its theft. ..."

You are wrong. Stealing is a crime, however software "pirates" do not steal. They would not have bought the game anyway, and gamers who want to play buy their stuff anyway, too.
Downloading games is done by people who would not have bought the game or software anyway. Or, in recent cases maybe people who indeed bought software WILL once more download the same stuff from pirate sites in the future, to evade a constant online requirement, or only to be able to USE their expensively-bought F"§$%ng software at all.
This is about arrogance of software companies who do not listen to their customers, and introduce hazzles that hurt the legal customer more, than the "pirate".
(In some cases UBI indeed used a pirate's idea to be able to play their published games at all ).


" ... No different from slipping a shirt into your coat at the mall. Just imagine how that would go down on this forum... "Lol stupid ubiclothes and their anti-theft shirt alarms, I AM NOT A THIEF, why do i have to wait for the store clerk to undo this alarm thing from the merchandise? Thats time from my life i will never get back, im boycotting this store! You know if they made a better quality shirt they would make more money, its simple!". ..."

Apart from that you cannot compare theft in a store with software piracy this clothes thing is a good motto - see the Kaiser's new clothes, = UBI's DRM model.
I will probably print a T-shirt myself, with this:
"I survived UBIsofts DRM model
Proud member of the UBIsoft 5 percent DRM loose cable club!"

And b.t.w i have nothing against the sim, it is just this DRM what i and millions of others strongly dislike. I have sent some questions to the European parliament, because as i see it this online requirement is an intrusion that is definitely forbidden here. Same as with "Rise of Fligth".

Additionally, according to UBI's plans this is only a step on the way to paying for every second you play, which is only possible yet when being online. So this "DRM" called thingie is only stalking horse, a stepstone on generating a constant cash flow. As soon as people accept this BS of DRM the next step is making the customer pay for every second. The freedom to play freely after paying once for software is dieing in small steps.

And let me make one thing clear, the developers and programmers will see nothing of the money generated.

Greetings,
Catfish

[Mondaiji]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

piracy is theft. That much is crystal clear.

copyright infringement is totally different, that is when you have the color of a right. A pirate does'nt, he is a thief.

Please enlighten me with crystal clear argument's.

[Fincuan]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

piracy is theft. That much is crystal clear.

copyright infringement is totally different, that is when you have the color of a right. A pirate does'nt, he is a thief.
.

Not that clear apparently

Piracy == copyright infringement

[Skullcowboy]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

piracy is theft. That much is crystal clear.

copyright infringement is totally different, that is when you have the color of a right. A pirate does'nt, he is a thief.

The color of a right?? What is that?

Copyright Infringement involves engaging in one of the practices that are exclusively reserved for a copyright owner, without a license to do so.

This is what pirates, or anyone who makes an unauthorized copy of a movie, a song, a program, a photo, a book, etc etc, is guilty of.

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

piracy is theft. That much is crystal clear.

copyright infringement is totally different, that is when you have the color of a right. A pirate does'nt, he is a thief.

Piracy is Copyright Infringement.

The copyright infringement of software (often referred to as software piracy) refers to several practices which involve the unauthorized copying of computer software

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_piracy

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Gabe Newell of Valve destroys your argument in one short interview on piracy, and how DRM only creates more pirates:

^^^This^^^ "What we saw more and more is that piracy is the result of BAD SERVICE ON THE PART OF GAME COMPANIES" - Gabe

When companies like Ubi and EASports continue to release garbage... piracy goes up.

Whats sad is those companies then either rush the next release to market because they dont have the revenue forcasted to support a long dev period (Case and point SH3, Sh4, now SH5) OR they stop the franchise all together and blame the poor sales on the market not being there (MADDEN FOOTBALL.... for cripes sakes how can they say this is a "niche" market?!).

I HATE piracy. I LOVE to buy my games and support the devs that work so hard on them and create a game that I can immerse myself into and forget my REAL world.

Instead of piracy I just dont buy the game...period...end.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Faamecanic

Instead of piracy I just dont buy the game...period...end.

Agreed. I have bought and paid for all the games in my collection, always have, always will. If Ubi insist on using OSP, then I will insist on avoiding their games completely. As far as I'm concerned, there are others far more worthy of my time and money.

It is a pity that some people are turning to shadier methods to play the game, but for those who have purchased, only to find they cannot play because of the OSP, it is excusable. There are no such excuses for those who have not legally bought the game.

[quantumpawn]

I, too, hate piracy. But an invasive DRM that hurts legitimate paying customers and does not stop piracy, but instead encourages it, comes in a close second place.

[utops]

Robin Hood also was theft

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MattDizzle

Of course problems exist but this forum is no more a fair representation of the silent hunter community than Fox news is of american politics and journalism. Its a self-feeding machine of rage and peer gratification, the perfect example of preaching to the choir, any dissenting voices are shot down as interns and idiots. DRM DRM DRM! UBI UBI UBI! OUTRAGE AND BOYCOTT.

I'm not showing rage or preaching to anyone. And dissenting voices are usually argued with, not "shot down as interns and idiots". But you didn't just disagree, you started off this thread telling everyone they didn't know what they were talking about and needed you to explain it to us.

Do you think I don't have a right to not buy the game, nor a right to complain about the fact that I'm not allowed to play it because UBIsoft said so?

Ok guys i'll make this as simple as i can.

That kind of start is not an invitation to a discussion; it's a challenge, pure and simple. You can preach if you want, but when you do you know at the start what the reaction is going to be, and you can't hide behind crying about people shooting you down.

I'm beginning to agree with the guys who think you are Trenken, posting under a new name.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Gabe Newell of Valve destroys your argument in one short interview on piracy, and how DRM only creates more pirates:

QFE

[cappy70]

Mattdizzle: Answer Sailor Steve's post first, please.

Second,,this is a community of fans of Subsim's (among other kind of sims) and with some respect what one want to do with your money you must be able to do a "selection" when it comes to singleplayer, i.e. singleplayer through a constant server?, NO I own the game and play when I want to and not when a Server tell me to that: Now it is working.

I was testing a "DRM game" way before SH5 was out and it had some real issues with online connection all the time when it came to s t a b i l i t y online and be able to access the game 100%.

I've always been against for example these MMO games where you first pay a sum of money and then have to cont' to pay to play more and being dependent on the connection and also when Multi is free with many other games.

Now this has come to Single-player as well, sadly.

Single player is that I choose when,how,where I want to play and NOT through my "neighbourghs" server!!

If you buy a book you must go over to your neighbourghs house to read it and if he's not at home; you don't read!!!

Why is Bioshock 2 just doing fine with their 1-time-DRM?? Works for them.

Nah,,this is just another "starforce" issue and I bet UBI will drop it and see that are other approaches to fight off piracy, for sometime.

P.S. Did you se that I "DRM'ed" you Mattdizzle at the top: I told you to answer Sailor Steve's post first otherwise: No connection.