[WIP] Playable PT-109 Elco MTB - Page 9

Digital_Trucker · 08-20-08, 10:43 AM

Yep, played around with them some, but were really hoping to implement twin 50s (which the game doesn't have). We were going to use them as more of a surface attack weapon than AA, though. They may still get into the mix when we get to the point of completely remodeling the above decks part of the boat and can make room for some. Thanks for the link, though.

Interesting thread.

peabody · 08-22-08, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Guys, I'm afraid someone overtook you on the job :

Maybe if you guys ask nice, they would let you use some of the graphics.

Peabody

Digital_Trucker · 08-22-08, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peabody

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Guys, I'm afraid someone overtook you on the job :

Maybe if you guys ask nice, they would let you use some of the graphics.

Peabody

Thanks for the info guys

I guess I'll have to dust of DOSBox and see if I can't get some ideas from the game:p

Demon777 · 08-25-08, 06:18 AM

I haven't tested this playable PT yet, but the screens are perfect! Amazing job gyus!

Is this 'mod' compatible with JMSGE? And is the PT available in career mode?

P.S. I hope some day there'll appear playable US destroyers, cruisers and battleships (like Iowa)

Regards,

D777

Digital_Trucker · 08-25-08, 08:40 AM

Hey, Demon. Those answers would be yes and not yet. It definitely JSGME compatible (I can't imagine a mod other than an application that shouldn't be JSGME ready

). And nope, it's not available for use in a career yet. It can be used in any of the single missions (a couple come with it) that start on the surface. That's part of the reason that it's not available for career mode yet. New missions need to be written specifically for the boat (since it really didn't serve the same functions as a sub or have the same range) and the whole career put together.

We're hoping that these things come together soon, but we still have a lot of work to do on the model itself and the damage model and all sorts of things that we haven't encountered yet. Right now, it's more of an interesting toy until we get the rest of it put together.

Thanks for the interest and enjoy it when you get to play with it

Demon777 · 08-25-08, 11:21 AM

Thanks Trucker!

Hope the rest of this job will be done with no bugs etc. Playable German pocket battleship is a good 'parrallel' example

So I wish everyone who works at US/GB playable surface ships to finish their job successfully. If I could provide any assistance, feel free to contact me. Actually I'm not a modder, but I'd be glad to help. BTW, recently I found an amazing site of Naval warfare/industry

http://ship.bsu.by/

Unfortunately it seems to be completely in Russian, BUT if you'd like to get some info from there, I can help to translate the needed issues!

Brgds,
D777

Digital_Trucker · 08-25-08, 07:27 PM

Thanks, Demon. We may have to take you up on that translation offer. I can barely read a little German, I don't stand a chance with Russian

Buddahaid · 08-31-08, 12:17 PM

Looking at this and dowloaded it and call me stupid, but, what are you opening the dat file in the documentation with?

Buddahaid

Digital_Trucker · 08-31-08, 12:47 PM

Silly me, I used the documentation folder as a place to save backups of files as I was changing them. I should have removed it from the folder before I zipped it all up. If you really want to look at it, get skwas' S3D, but there's no documentation in the file. It's just a game file. Sorry for the confusion.

sqk7744 · 10-02-08, 01:05 PM

Outstanding work DT!

woofiedog · 12-01-08, 05:25 AM

Any news on this great mod?

Charlielima · 12-06-08, 11:32 AM

Ya whats the latest news? I am currently honning my MTB skippering skills on a Schnell Boote in SH3. Even if the Elco boat has 2 x 40 mike mike bofars guns, I will be very hesitant to get in a gunfight with the german boat. That single 37mm flak gun can really impair the intent and functionability of a laminated wood motor torpedo boat.
CL

woofiedog · 12-06-08, 02:26 PM

Yes the S-Boat does have a advantage over the plywood Elco & Higgins boats... but sometimes it's the skipper at the helm that counts the most. LoL

Hylander_1314 · 12-06-08, 04:07 PM

Actually there wasn't a whole lot of plywood. The outer hull had mahoganey planks that went up at a 45 degree angle, then a layer of waterproffing glue and fine aircraft linen, and on top of that another layer of mahoganey planking again placed at 45 degrees perpendicular to the inner layer.

This is a good video in 3 oarts about PT Boat construction, which shows they didn't have "planked" and caulked decks. A good film, and it's in color!

Sailor Steve · 12-06-08, 04:31 PM

Great videos! They left a few things out though. At one point it mentions the British wanting the boats as well, when in fact the Royal Navy invented the Motor Torpedo Boat, and had their own in production at the time. When playing German in the Atlantic the MTBs met should mostly be the 73-foot Vosper. Also, the ELCO boats were based on a powerboat design by an Englishman, Hubert Scott-Payne.
http://www.steelnavy.com/GMSElco77.htm

I think there's some confusion on the hulls. Yes, the frame was mahogany planking, and the hulls were mahogany shaved into veneer, then glued together to make a heavy sheet, but isn't that what plywood is?

08-20-08, 10:43 AM	#121
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Yep, played around with them some, but were really hoping to implement twin 50s (which the game doesn't have). We were going to use them as more of a surface attack weapon than AA, though. They may still get into the mix when we get to the point of completely remodeling the above decks part of the boat and can make room for some. Thanks for the link, though. Interesting thread. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

08-25-08, 06:18 AM	#124
Demon777 Medic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Russia Posts: 163 Downloads: 97 Uploads: 0	I haven't tested this playable PT yet, but the screens are perfect! Amazing job gyus! Is this 'mod' compatible with JMSGE? And is the PT available in career mode? P.S. I hope some day there'll appear playable US destroyers, cruisers and battleships (like Iowa) Regards, D777 Last edited by Demon777; 08-25-08 at 06:35 AM.

08-25-08, 08:40 AM	#125
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Hey, Demon. Those answers would be yes and not yet. It definitely JSGME compatible (I can't imagine a mod other than an application that shouldn't be JSGME ready). And nope, it's not available for use in a career yet. It can be used in any of the single missions (a couple come with it) that start on the surface. That's part of the reason that it's not available for career mode yet. New missions need to be written specifically for the boat (since it really didn't serve the same functions as a sub or have the same range) and the whole career put together. We're hoping that these things come together soon, but we still have a lot of work to do on the model itself and the damage model and all sorts of things that we haven't encountered yet. Right now, it's more of an interesting toy until we get the rest of it put together. Thanks for the interest and enjoy it when you get to play with it __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

08-25-08, 07:27 PM	#127
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Thanks, Demon. We may have to take you up on that translation offer. I can barely read a little German, I don't stand a chance with Russian __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

08-31-08, 12:47 PM	#129
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Silly me, I used the documentation folder as a place to save backups of files as I was changing them. I should have removed it from the folder before I zipped it all up. If you really want to look at it, get skwas' S3D, but there's no documentation in the file. It's just a game file. Sorry for the confusion. __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

08-25-08, 11:21 AM	#126
Demon777 Medic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Russia Posts: 163 Downloads: 97 Uploads: 0	Thanks Trucker! Hope the rest of this job will be done with no bugs etc. Playable German pocket battleship is a good 'parrallel' example So I wish everyone who works at US/GB playable surface ships to finish their job successfully. If I could provide any assistance, feel free to contact me. Actually I'm not a modder, but I'd be glad to help. BTW, recently I found an amazing site of Naval warfare/industry http://ship.bsu.by/ Unfortunately it seems to be completely in Russian, BUT if you'd like to get some info from there, I can help to translate the needed issues! Brgds, D777

08-31-08, 12:17 PM	#128
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,577 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Looking at this and dowloaded it and call me stupid, but, what are you opening the dat file in the documentation with? Buddahaid

10-02-08, 01:05 PM	#130
sqk7744 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~About 60' below Posts: 1,150 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Outstanding work DT! __________________ " All Ships can dive, but only Submarine's surface!" MODS: KillFlags - Elco PT109 - AOB Attack Course Tutorial

12-01-08, 05:25 AM	#131
woofiedog Engineer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New England Posts: 216 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Any news on this great mod? __________________

12-06-08, 11:32 AM	#132
Charlielima Gunner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Schnell Boote Land Posts: 97 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Ya whats the latest news? I am currently honning my MTB skippering skills on a Schnell Boote in SH3. Even if the Elco boat has 2 x 40 mike mike bofars guns, I will be very hesitant to get in a gunfight with the german boat. That single 37mm flak gun can really impair the intent and functionability of a laminated wood motor torpedo boat. CL __________________

12-06-08, 02:26 PM	#133
woofiedog Engineer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New England Posts: 216 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Yes the S-Boat does have a advantage over the plywood Elco & Higgins boats... but sometimes it's the skipper at the helm that counts the most. LoL __________________

12-06-08, 04:07 PM	#134
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Actually there wasn't a whole lot of plywood. The outer hull had mahoganey planks that went up at a 45 degree angle, then a layer of waterproffing glue and fine aircraft linen, and on top of that another layer of mahoganey planking again placed at 45 degrees perpendicular to the inner layer. This is a good video in 3 oarts about PT Boat construction, which shows they didn't have "planked" and caulked decks. A good film, and it's in color! __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

12-06-08, 04:31 PM	#135
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Great videos! They left a few things out though. At one point it mentions the British wanting the boats as well, when in fact the Royal Navy invented the Motor Torpedo Boat, and had their own in production at the time. When playing German in the Atlantic the MTBs met should mostly be the 73-foot Vosper. Also, the ELCO boats were based on a powerboat design by an Englishman, Hubert Scott-Payne. http://www.steelnavy.com/GMSElco77.htm I think there's some confusion on the hulls. Yes, the frame was mahogany planking, and the hulls were mahogany shaved into veneer, then glued together to make a heavy sheet, but isn't that what plywood is? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo