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eddie · 12-24-20, 04:46 PM

The only pardon I thought sucked was for the clowns from Blackwater. They deserve to still being locked up. Putting a bullet into the head of a 9 year old boy, there is no pardon for that.

em2nought · 12-24-20, 05:37 PM

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Where do I sign up? I want to denounce Dowly and Torvald as secret Trump supporters. They will deny it of course but once the Commission puts them to The Question their guilt will become evident.

I forget witch is the sign of innocence, sinking or floating?

Buddahaid · 12-24-20, 06:54 PM

I knew it! We are devolving into the Dark Ages and the Inquisition. Almost as bad as Scotland......

Buddahaid · 12-24-20, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

The only pardon I thought sucked was for the clowns from Blackwater. They deserve to still being locked up. Putting a bullet into the head of a 9 year old boy, there is no pardon for that.

Yeah, I almost brought that up to compare with the Biden ATF complaint.

bstanko6 · 12-24-20, 09:35 PM

C’mon man!

Buddahaid · 12-24-20, 09:50 PM

The biggest difference is the dead are foreigners, or the perps aren't government agents. Where is the moral divide?

Dowly · 12-25-20, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Why would that matter? Are any of those investigations still ongoing?

There's a fairly big conflict of interest issue with someone who is being investigated being able to pardon potential witnesses later on.

Skybird · 12-25-20, 04:43 AM

Trump indeed so far has pardoned only a very tiny fraction of those numbers pardoned by presidents before him, going back to Roosevelt. The problem is the individual types he pardons, and that he bypasses the Department of Justice to be able to abuse pardons for his own personal interest. Trump pardons accomplices in crime, and tries to protect himself from future legal persecution. That is what sets him apart from presidents before him. and nthat is why his numbers, though small in numbers, do much more damage to the credibility of the justice system and the institution of the presidency. The damage is small in quanity, but huge in quality.

u crank · 12-25-20, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

There's a fairly big conflict of interest issue with someone who is being investigated being able to pardon potential witnesses later on.

I don’t see your point. Just because these people have been pardoned doesn’t mean they cannot be called to testify in the future. In fact now that they are no longer the accused they lose their 5th amendment right to self incrimination.

Dowly · 12-25-20, 08:41 AM

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I don’t see your point. Just because these people have been pardoned doesn’t mean they cannot be called to testify in the future. In fact now that they are no longer the accused they lose their 5th amendment right to self incrimination.

I didn't say Trump's smart.

u crank · 12-25-20, 09:47 AM

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I didn't say Trump's smart.

Neither did I.

Many of those getting pardons, Stone, Manafort, Flynn, van der Zwaan and Papadopoulos were part of Mueller's investigation and that is a done deal. Trump would have probably been advised of that before he pardoned them.

I don't think Trump's pardon spree is over yet.

August · 12-25-20, 10:37 AM

Mr Quatro · 12-25-20, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by eddie

The only pardon I thought sucked was for the clowns from Blackwater. They deserve to still being locked up. Putting a bullet into the head of a 9 year old boy, there is no pardon for that.

I never have shot a gun in fear except when playing a shooter game, but when I did play that game I didn't care what I hit as long as I was going to stay safe.

I'm sure they didn't target a young boy on purpose, plus they were in a strange land with strange people that like to blow up people.

I would've pardoned them too

Cybermat47 · 12-25-20, 12:22 PM

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I have to ask... have you ever actually met a communist? Because the tankies seriously hate Biden. They even think that Sanders is too much of a moderate. Biden has more in common with you than he does with tankies.

Also, the restrictions in place right now are because of the pandemic that killed my grandfather...

August · 12-25-20, 12:46 PM

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I have to ask... have you ever actually met a communist? Because the tankies seriously hate Biden. They even think that Sanders is too much of a moderate. Biden has more in common with you than he does with tankies.

Also, the restrictions in place right now are because of the pandemic that killed my grandfather...

First off what the heck is a tankie?

Second every power grab in history has used an emergency, real, hyped up and sometimes totally fictional situations to justify it's move which almost always turn out to be permanent. See the Patriot Act or federal income taxes for examples. Do you think that any possible measure the government may take to restrict Americans rights and freedoms is automatically justified because of a disease that can be fatal to elderly people?

Third Biden is no leader but a stooge of the last remaining communist power. The Chinese own his son and by extension they own him because with the Bidens power broking is a family business.

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,578 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	The biggest difference is the dead are foreigners, or the perps aren't government agents. Where is the moral divide? __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,749 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Trump indeed so far has pardoned only a very tiny fraction of those numbers pardoned by presidents before him, going back to Roosevelt. The problem is the individual types he pardons, and that he bypasses the Department of Justice to be able to abuse pardons for his own personal interest. Trump pardons accomplices in crime, and tries to protect himself from future legal persecution. That is what sets him apart from presidents before him. and nthat is why his numbers, though small in numbers, do much more damage to the credibility of the justice system and the institution of the presidency. The damage is small in quanity, but huge in quality. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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