[UNCOVERED] SH5 officially left for dead!

Originally Posted by thyro

Then SH5 would come back to surface and players start buying the game... But who will win won't be Subsim modders but the company that produced this SH5 abortion.

Beside I think that is time to appear mods pay-for-use than current use-for-free... this only benefit modders. This can be seen in other games and is a good incentive to keep things in perspective from both sides... those who spend time creating mods and those that just grab them for free.

If that would happen in SUBSIM it is a totally different story but... things are changing towards this way... and to be fair if I pay for mods in other games I really wouldn't mind paying mods for this game either. That is win-win situation the modder wins and the player wins coz didn't have the trouble creating something.

edit: even if isn't for modders own wallet... that money could go either to support the community or for a charity like some that I know already do on other games.

i dont agree, if we get a game thats good and playable then WE do win.

yes, ubi makes a few more $ but thats going to be at greatly discounted prices that will mostly just cover some of their losses, they certainly wont profit from it.

as for "pay-for" mods that is not what modding is about, for sure its not what subsim modders are about and IMO its more of an abomination then the DRM idea

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

I did not misread your post(I wear contacts).

Ah, so that's why the sonar man doesn't report them...

Now, you forgot to say you didn't take pills. If you'd taken your pills you wouldn't have forgotten to say that you didn't take pills .

Originally Posted by robbo180265

I actually agree wholeheartedly with this statement. The game should be judged out of the box and patched.

That's fine as long as it isn't compared against another game that has been fully patched and modded up to the eyeballs.

Originally Posted by thyro

Beside I think that is time to appear mods pay-for-use than current use-for-free... this only benefit modders.

Which games have that system - got a link? Aren't there 'legal' issues surrounding modifying an original file and charging for it?

EDIT: Oh yeah, why do people use a 'car analogy'. It's not as if we're discussing string theory here. A simple concept like a game sold that has not been fully patched should be easy enough to understand without the use of an analogy.

[SteelViking]

Webster, while I respect your point of view that modded SH5 and out of the Box SH5 are different, I just don't see it that way. I think of SH5 with all the mods the same as most people think of SHIII+GWX. When people think of SHIII they usually think of it being already modded.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

That's fine as long as it isn't compared against another game that has been fully patched and modded up to the eyeballs.

I do agree in fact I've deliberately never compared the two - I may have said that I prefer one over the other at the moment , but that's as close as I've come

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

Webster, while I respect your point of view that modded SH5 and out of the Box SH5 are different, I just don't see it that way. I think of SH5 with all the mods the same as most people think of SHIII+GWX. When people think of SHIII they usually think of it being already modded.

You see, I think SH3 was a far better and more complete game out of the box. I can clearly remember playing it and enjoying it long before I found Subsim and discovered all the lovely mods.

[Harmsway!]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

You see, I think SH3 was a far better and more complete game out of the box. I can clearly remember playing it and enjoying it long before I found Subsim and discovered all the lovely mods.

It could be that without Subsim your expectations were less then what they are now.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Harmsway!

It could be that without Subsim your expectations were less then what they are now.

That could be true.Thing is I'm quite picky about my games - they either grab me or they don't. Sh3 grabbed me in a big way, Sh5 hasn't.

As you say I might be more choosey about my subsims because of .....well Subsim. Or it might be that Sh5 doesn't deliver.

I can't be sure to be honest..

[TheBrauerHour]

I played the heck out of SH3 and SH4...still do in fact. I bought SH5, played it 3 times and haven't touched it since.

It seems the devs have alot of work to do.

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Webster

no i wasnt responding to your comments, i saw how steelviking was defending sh5 with mods and taking offence at thyro putting down sh5 "as released" and saw where both of them had good points but i felt they were talking about two entirely different sh5 games, one with mods and one without.

so i offered my observation of how i think its really important to think about the way you look at things and put them into context before deciding whats right or wrong in another persons opinion.

Aye, thanks for the clarification. Getting a little confusing.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

That could be true.Thing is I'm quite picky about my games - they either grab me or they don't. Sh3 grabbed me in a big way, Sh5 hasn't.

That's the same for me. I think that's because SH3 was such a big leap forward. I remember when I first saw the E3 trailer demo thingy where the sub was sailing along next to some icebergs and all of a sidden an enemy battlefleet was revealed and the order to crash dive was given, with the bell ringing and the crew shouting. Then the planes came in and attacked the fleet. Pure PR rubbish, was obvisouly a scripted mission, as you'd never be sailing along and all of a sudden see an enemy task force a few hundred metres away, but all I could think was 'Oh yeah!'. It's because of that that I didn't mind SH3 crashing to desktop when I hit the auto crew management button. I just said 'Oh' and loaded it back up again.

[Topo65]

Originally Posted by Arclight

I hate to do this...

So... dont do it! (Its just a joke ) Thanks for taking your time to read my post and give me your point of view.

Maybe I should not post without a full knowledge of the language, and take the risk of using words that could be misinterpreted. But do not blame me for feeling part of this community, which I appreciate so much and try to express myself.

I just want to make clear that I really appreciate the work done by the modders. Yes, I'm a little angry with Ubisoft and the treatment given to the saga. But I respect and accept the opinions of others.

[jpinard]

I've been holding out forever hoping UBISoft will patch out the constant need for Internet access. Comcast is fantastically unreliable and considering I can't load Youtube vidoes half the time, I doubt UBISoft server support will be much better.

That said, are there mods that can patch that out of purchased games? If not, then I still won't buy it and won't be aparty to this crap. But if it is (without resorting to piracy) I will get it on sale.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by jpinard

That said, are there mods that can patch that out of purchased games? If not, then I still won't buy it and won't be aparty to this crap. But if it is (without resorting to piracy) I will get it on sale.

Don't even ask that question here.

The Management

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Topo65

So... dont do it! (Its just a joke ) Thanks for taking your time to read my post and give me your point of view.

Maybe I should not post without a full knowledge of the language, and take the risk of using words that could be misinterpreted. But do not blame me for feeling part of this community, which I appreciate so much and try to express myself.

I just want to make clear that I really appreciate the work done by the modders. Yes, I'm a little angry with Ubisoft and the treatment given to the saga. But I respect and accept the opinions of others.

Aye, nothing personal and I'm not out to insult you or anything. That's why I hate it; it's too hard not too offend anyone in this whole SH5 thing.

You have every right to be angry and let that be heard, but I think there should be a bit of counter to that as well. It's not all doom and gloom.

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by Arclight

it's too hard not too offend anyone in this whole SH5 thing.

You can say that again.