US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[vienna]

Its almost all over; according to the most recent stat-by-state tally being tracked by CNN, Biden has accumulated 247 confirmed Electoral votes and the whopping 55 Electoral votes of California, which will all go to Biden, are yet to be cast and reported; does anyone else hear a fat lady warming up in the wings?...


Track Electoral College votes, state by state --

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/14/polit...ker/index.html



Just hours prior to the Electoral College vote, the Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected another appeal by Team Trump the Chump to have over 221,000 votes thrown out in that state; one of the Justices made a sports reference to the appeal being akin to throwing down a US football challenge flag long after the game has been over; it was one of several recent sports analogies made in reference to the endless, senseless, and fruitless appeals made by the Loser-In-Chief since election day; SNL had this bit last Saturday; a bit of context for those not familiar with Newsmax or US football: Newsmax is a very Right-Wing news channel and has been positioning it self as an alternative to those who have been disheartened by Fox News' accurate reporting of the reality of the election results; Newsmax has even been suggested as a new home for Trump if he should choose to become an on-air commentator once he is booted from the Oval Office (Trump's own floated idea of his own news channel has appeared, like an awful lot of his ventures, to have fizzled out and failed); the New York Jets Football Team is widely regarded as the worst team in US Pro Football and has not won a single game this season, having just this past Sunday suffered its 13th defeat by a score of 40-3...









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[vienna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

God still has a plan ... if the Supreme Court had of voted in favor of Trump the early Christmas shoppers would've unleashed their anger on the big cities of America.

Cheaters never win ... someone somewhere has cheated ... the numbers will still be debated in the US Congress and the US Senate come the first part of next year.

Biden's inauguration is still in jeopardy

Hate to tell you, but all those Evangelical Christians prayed and and prayed to God and He gave them an answer:



"No."


God's will be done...





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[mapuc]

As predicted Joe Biden is your next President.

His Presidency will not be easy, far from it.

He will take over a country that is very divided

Markus

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by vienna

Hate to tell you, but all those Evangelical Christians prayed and and prayed to God and He gave them an answer:

Unlike the "yes" from whoever democrats prayed to for "something" to tank the US economy. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...g-rid-of-trump

[Mr Quatro]

Biden hasn't taken the oath of office yet

Many things could still happen ... fifty cases have been denied true

but some cases are still left to be investigated

We that believe will not give up

People of America still have a lawsuit in MA, which remains the ONLY complaint focusing on the REAL CRIME SCENE of #ElectionFraud:
COMPUTER ALGORITHMS that flip votes to deny you “ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.”

Landmark Lawsuit Filed in Federal Court Proves There is NO "One Person, One Vote" in Massachusetts VASHIVA.COM


https://vashiva.com/?fbclid=IwAR3cPO...L1DKvVP9sSXUP4



Plus this election proof that the election could've been hacked

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...T3Th1PfAgpfchc

An 11-year-old boy on Friday was able to hack into a replica of the Florida state election website and change voting results found there in under 10 minutes during the world’s largest yearly hacking convention, DEFCON 26, organizers of the event said.

Thousands of adult hackers attend the convention annually, while this year a group of children attempted to hack 13 imitation websites linked to voting in presidential battleground states.

The boy, who was identified by DEFCON officials as Emmett Brewer, accessed a replica of the Florida secretary of state’s website. He was one of about 50 children between the ages of 8 and 16 who were taking part in the so-called “DEFCON Voting Machine Hacking Village,” a portion of which allowed kids the chance to manipulate party names, candidate names and vote count totals.

An 11-year-old changed election results on a replica Florida state website in under 10 minutes

[Subnuts]

Steiner will come north with his 39 electoral votes any day now.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

Steiner will come north with his 39 electoral votes any day now.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Biden hasn't taken the oath of office yet

Many things could still happen ... fifty cases have been denied true

but some cases are still left to be investigated

We that believe will not give up

People of America still have a lawsuit in MA, which remains the ONLY complaint focusing on the REAL CRIME SCENE of #ElectionFraud:
COMPUTER ALGORITHMS that flip votes to deny you “ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE.”

Landmark Lawsuit Filed in Federal Court Proves There is NO "One Person, One Vote" in Massachusetts VASHIVA.COM


https://vashiva.com/?fbclid=IwAR3cPO...L1DKvVP9sSXUP4

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Great source: a quack conspiracy theorist who is more well known as a legend in his own mind than as a serious, reputable person:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai

V. A. Shiva Ayyadurai (born Vellayappa Ayyadurai Shiva, December 2, 1963) is an Indian-American scientist, engineer, politician, entrepreneur, and promoter of conspiracy theories and unfounded medical claims. He is notable for his widely disputed claim to be the "inventor of email", based on the electronic mail software called "EMAIL" he wrote as a New Jersey high school student in the late 1970s. Initial reports that repeated Ayyadurai's assertion—from organizations such as The Washington Post and the Smithsonian Institution—were followed by public retractions. These corrections were triggered by objections from historians and ARPANET pioneers who pointed out that email was already actively used in the early 1970s.

Ayyadurai also attracted attention for two reports: the first questioning the working conditions of India's largest scientific agency; the second questioning the safety of genetically modified soybeans. During the COVID-19 pandemic, Ayyadurai became known for a social media disinformation campaign about the coronavirus; spreading conspiracy theories about the cause of coronavirus; promoting unfounded COVID-19 treatments; and campaigning to fire Anthony Fauci for allegedly being a so-called "deep state" actor.

Seems like just another of the many crackpot "experts" Trump, his minions, and the Trumpettes trot out as "proof" or "facts" to support the Looney Tunes that is the Trump administration. Why is it that almost every single person attached to the Trump loyalist circle looks and act like poorly cast actors in a very bad farce? I mean, when your "crack" attorney is Giuliani and you expect to win with a team like Trump's 'island of broken toys', delusional is an extremely mild term...

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

...

Plus this election proof that the election could've been hacked

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...T3Th1PfAgpfchc

Sorry, "could've" isn't proof, any more than "should've" and "would've"; Trump could've been a great president, but the fact is, he isn't. Is there anything in your posting that actually prove that any actual hacking actually occurred? Ironically, Trump's constant whining and moaning and carping and bitching about alleged election irregularities in the 2016 Presidential Election have come back to bit home in his overly ample ass. He put so much attention on the voting process, the voting officials in the states bent over backwards to try and make sure their own states and counties were not going to be hung with the collar of being grossly inept or corrupt; no one wanted to be the person who botched their own voting process; the 2018 Mid-Term Elections were very closely watched and not a single major instance of voting irregularities were found, much less corruption; when the heavily GOP Orange County voted in all DEM House reps and ousted GOP candidates, the national GOP made much noise that there must have been vote fixing to produce such a result, but they were stopped dead in their tracks when the Orange County Registrar of voters, himself an elected GOP official, revealed that he had taken the initiative after Trump's 2016 bitch fit to thoroughly scrub the County's voter rolls and tighten up election safeguards, resulting in the cleanest election ever held in that county; his efforts were so impressive, he was contacted by election officials from other states for advice and consultation on how they could replicate his success. Every single election process in this country was under microscopic scrutiny with any number of factions of all political stripes just waiting for the "Gotcha" of finding some sort of failing; no election in history has been watched over, examined, scrutinized, analyzed, and subject to critical observation as the past 2020 Presidential Election. And, yet, Trump and his minions/Trumpettes have yet to find any sort of irregularities that would either prove enough fraud to void votes nor swing any of the local, state, or Federal contests to a different result. All they've come up with is "could've, would've, should've" without any credible supporting facts, a situation very pointedly pointed out by several of the the judges/justices who have tossed out 99.99% of trumps court challenges; for all of Trump's and Giuliani's and their minions vaunted claims of actual, presentable proof, when asked or ordered to provide such evidence they cam up with nothing more than "could've, would've, should've"; even some of the "elite' Trump legal team members made laughable fools of themselves: when one of Trump's lawyers made a claim that Trump observers were blocked from the vote counting process in one state and that state's lawyers countered that multiple Trump observers had, indeed, been allowed into the count, the judge hearing the claim asked the Trump attorney if, indeed, Trump observers were in the counting room and the actual number of such observers, the lawyer responded the number of Trump observers was "not zero" and refused to give the actual count. The judge threw out the suit...


Even Trump's "expert" election analysts have been a collection of whack jobs; one "expert" got a lot of coverage making claims that it was extremely suspicions that some precincts in one state reported 100% or 99.9% turnouts; in the 100% precincts, the turnout was so large because there were so few actual eligible voters in those precincts; one precinct had only eight (8) registered voters and they all turned out to vote, ergo, 100%; the 99.9% and similar 'abnormally high and statistically impossible" recorded turnout numbers were basically scaled down versions of the 100% situations; in one case, the precinct in question had 31 registered voters and 30 of them turned out out vote equaling a 97% turnout; in another, there were 9 registered voters and 8 showed up to vote equaling an 89% turnout; Trump's experts seem to have big problems with actual facts and math and a marked inability to do the actual homework...


The TV is on and someone just made the comment the GOP is going to suffer massive political embarrassment for backing up Trump's whacked out attempts at trying to stay in power; Its kind like when a woman asks if her jeans make her ass look big; the GOP is looking bad because of its ass, Trump...




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[bstanko6]

Why is everyone talking on this thread as if Biden is a good choice?

Really?

Biden is exactly what’s wrong with our country! An old stodgy career politician who does things for himself instead of others.

I have to give Trump some credit here because he did things for long-term pursuits. In establishing a good economy for our country. No other politician ever did that.

He was never a career politician, so he saw things through the eyes of American citizens. And that’s what we needed.

Biden is your old school old hat politician who’s going to destroy everything Trump try to build up for us.

[Wolferz]

Glad I don't engage in political discussion in any way, shape or form.

The whole idea of politics I find to be kind of stupid because it's nothing more than a good old boys liars club.

Politics: The art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere and applying all the wrong remedies.
Groucho Marx

[Buddahaid]

Trump lost not on his policy, but on his crazy talk and seemingly unstable nature. People who would have supported him were turned off by that just like people voted against Hillary because of her baggage.

Anything that happens with Biden is still to come and I don't think anyone can be certain about it.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

Why is everyone talking on this thread as if Biden is a good choice?

Biden is a bad choice, but he’s better than Trump. Like how for many people Trump was a bad choice, but better than Clinton.

Originally Posted by bstanko6

Biden is exactly what’s wrong with our country! ... does things for himself instead of others.

Funny, that’s what I think about Trump. I imagine the Kurds would as well - or at least the ones who survived his abandonment of them to the Turks.

Originally Posted by bstanko6

He was never a career politician, so he saw things through the eyes of American citizens. And that’s what we needed.

I doubt that someone who talks about getting a “small loan of a million dollars” has the same worldview as your average American citizen.

He certainly didn’t see things through the eyes of all the American citizens who disagreed with him. Or American citizens dying of coronavirus.

[vienna]

Not saying Biden is a good choice, but its obvious, as Buddahaid and Cybermat47 point out, Trump is a really bad choice; I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016 as I saw both as bad choices, but in 2020 I just couldn't 'throw away' my vote, in good conscience, if it meant a chance of four more years of lunacy, very bad leadership, and chaos, so I voted for Biden, and it seems, so did an awful lot of other Americans. At least we won't have to endure the deranged psychodramas (with the emphasis on psycho) of the past four years, anymore. It remains to be seen what Biden will be like; I rather suspect/expect Biden will not seek a second term, so he will be a sort of transitional administration, like Carter and GHW Bush, so the GOP has four years to find a reasonable candidate and not another whack job like Trump the Chump...

Biden comes in with a, by Trump standards, Electoral College landslide; and Biden received the largest number of votes ever cast for a Presidential candidate, a majority of the popular vote [51.4%] (Trump couldn't even muster a plurality in 2016), and won by a margin of over 7 Million votes cast, all of which Trump never accomplished; in fact, both Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama each earned more vote in their own runs than Trump garnered in 2016...




There's an old SNL sketch where Dana Carvey, playing GHW Bush after losing his run for reelection, is crying out, lamenting, "I'm a Jimmy Carter!"; Trump isn't even a Jimmy Carter: an awful lot of people still respect Jimmy Carter as a person...






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[bstanko6]

Trump lunacy? I’m sorry I have to disagree.

Biden has dementia and now he has access to our missile codes. That’s lunacy!

[bstanko6]

I get it Trump was someone who was privileged.

But when he was in office for these last four years there was nothing lunatic about him.

He was saying the things that we needed to hear.

The fact that China was charging us up the wazoo for tariffs was crazy to me I didn’t even know that existed.

And then I find out that the Saudi Arabians are not paying their fair share for the military support that we are providing.

Trump took our economy and showed us in a mirror as to what exactly we were doing with it and we were tanking.

Biden never did anything positive for our economy once in his 47 years.

Biden already told us he was going to lock down the country again and he’s going to attempt to take away our Second Amendment rights. I got problems with this!

Before anyone interjects about the second amendment, any alteration to it is an unconstitutional act.