US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Dowly

"Trump threatens UC Berkeley with funds cut after Breitbart editor's speech is canceled following riot"

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/01/uc-be...nnopoulos.html

The big question, is rioting the proper way to oppose something?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Regarding what Republicans, or whoever, think, I don't know, nor do I care, I sure know that I do indeed see Hillary voters, many of them, as somewhat lazy when we speak politics, it depends though. There are those who got fooled out of stupidity, and then there are those who accept exactly what Hillary is, more so, support it. And THAT'S indeed a point where the word lazy fits like a glove - in my opinion.
Why, that I explained in the posts above. I do not expect you or anyone to share this pov of course.

If the shoe is on the other foot. Made some changes above.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I can assure you the Trump supporters I know do not see Dems as the "enemy". That is conjecture on your part appearing to be driven by the media propaganda you speak of.

Now that we have stated our opinions let's turn the topic back to US politics and not what a douche bag Trump and his monkeys are. That has been established just about daily.

And I can assure you, that I do not browse CNN or whatever mainstream media, nor do I "educate" myself on social media portals, nor do I build dance-circles of love where I meet with others who just say what I want to hear to feel like a part of something.

My opinions are to a good degree influenced by this board as well and by what I see some here write down.

And Trump being a despicable scumbag IS the topic, because that's the reason why your country right now is quite torn apart. Do you believe, or rather guesstimate, that Hillary would have created such severely negative responses world wide?
And if not: really just because of CNN and the evil liberal media?

I don't think so.
Trump is the problem, so we're right on topic.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

The big question, is rioting the proper way to oppose something?

Sure, if there is no legal recourse for rioting as we have seen for the past years.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Sure, if there is no legal recourse for rioting as we have seen for the past years.

Really, you think rioting is ok?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

And I can assure you, that I do not browse CNN or whatever mainstream media, nor do I "educate" myself on social media portals, nor do I build dance-circles of love where I meet with others who just say what I want to hear to feel like a part of something.

My opinions are to a good degree influenced by this board as well and by what I see some here write down.

And Trump being a despicable scumbag IS the topic, because that's the reason why your country right now is quite torn apart. Do you believe, or rather guesstimate, that Hillary would have created such severely negative responses world wide?
And if not: really just because of CNN and the evil liberal media?

I don't think so.
Trump is the problem, so we're right on topic.

Please return to US politics. Hillary is finished in the political arena. She lost. Time to move on.

We have established Trump is a sphincter with associated hemorrhoids. Time to move on from that as well.

Let talk crack headed policy coming from the Oval Orifice!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Really, you think rioting is ok?

I was being facetious. There is no legal recourse for rioting so it is done at will and seen as ok. It is seen as the "proper" way at present. Start banging heads and prosecuting then all will see it is not 'proper".

[Catfish]

^^ (two above) @AVGWarhawk Hehe, ok.

And also thanks to Bilge Rat, for a calm and good explanation

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Please return to US politics. Hillary is finished in the political arena. She lost. Time to move on.

We have established Trump is a sphincter with associated hemorrhoids. Time to move on from that as well.

Let talk crack headed policy coming from the Oval Orifice!

That kinda disappoints me, but at least it's no surprise. Yes, Hillary is done for, which is great news, but that had -nothing- to do with what I just asked. And you know it.
But it's alright, no answer required anymore.

Again though, Trump being a hemhorroid-covered sphincter is the problem, so right on topic? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

That kinda disappoints me, but at least it's no surprise. Yes, Hillary is done for, which is great news, but that had -nothing- to do with what I just asked. And you know it.
But it's alright, no answer required anymore.

Again though, Trump being a hemhorroid-covered sphincter is the problem, so right on topic? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

What did you ask? I missed it. I will certainly answer. However, move on from Hillary. The world has seen and heard enough.

And no, brow beating Trump is not on topic.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was being facetious. There is no legal recourse for rioting so it is done at will and seen as ok. It is seen as the "proper" way at present. Start banging heads and prosecuting then all will see it is not 'proper".

I know how you meant it, I was being cynical because Neals question was completely unqualified in the first place.
Why ask such a thing?
What answer is to be expected here?

All it does is provoke certain people here to pop out of their cave and mumble something about "dem' liberals!" - because a few stupid kids represent everyone who isn't on their side. Thumbs up.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Please return to US politics. Hillary is finished in the political arena. She lost. Time to move on.

We have established Trump is a sphincter with associated hemorrhoids. Time to move on from that as well.

Let talk crack headed policy coming from the Oval Orifice!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

And Trump being a despicable scumbag IS the topic...

Not necessarily. While I agree that Trump is not what I would describe as "desirable", what his presidency will look like has yet to be seen. I don't hold with the people who ardently defend him, nor with those who are heaping hate on him, but most of the vitriol is based on what people are certain he will do. I'm hoping it won't be as bad as some are sure it will, while I'm also worried that it might.

...because that's the reason why your country right now is quite torn apart.

Not so. I have to agree with our right-leaning members on this one. The sole reason our country is being torn apart right now is the hate (not anger, which implies a reason, but simple hate) the other side has for him. The left hated Bush before the 2000 election, and they hated him before we went into Iraq. Those outcomes only gave them the reason they were already looking for. Likewise the obvious disdain the Right has for Hillary. While there are reasons to dislike them both, I don't see the venom from either side as warranted.

Do you believe, or rather guesstimate, that Hillary would have created such severely negative responses world wide?

No, but not for the reasons you project. While people can vilify the Right in this country (and much of it is deserved), I don't believe the Right would have made the huge deal out of it that the Left is. I'm not talking about the Powers That Be in this case, but what I've seen from the common people. As I've said before, I've unfriended several people on FaceBook because of their continuing habit of reposting hate pictures, sometimes five or six times every day. One of them was from the Right, but by-and-large those people keep it to a reasonable level. The Left, not so much.

And If not: really just because of CNN and the evil liberal media?

No. It's because people are so wrapped up in what they believe is absolute truth that they don't care about the real problems, just their need to hate whatever they disagree with.

Trump is the problem, so we're right on topic.

Actually, you are the problem. Not you personally, but everybody on both sides of this question who see it as an absolute, and aren't willing to discuss what can actually be done. It's always easier to say "I'm right, and you're stupid" than it is to say "Well, I could be wrong. Let's talk about it." As long as so many on both sides have this attitude, the problems will continue.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

the hate (not anger, which implies a reason, but simple hate) the other side has for him.

In this instance Steve, that hate is mostly born from fear, fear that this unstable individual with skin the thickness of a micron will do something unbelievably stupid and bring things crashing down. More so they're scared of some of the people that he has around him, that he has elevated to vital positions and seems to be driven by, people like Steve Bannon, who express viewpoints that should make people extremely worried.
They're also scared about how many of the tick-boxes on that poster from the Holocaust Museum that present day America is able to tick, and that, unimpeded, the current administration is going to seek to tick more of them.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not necessarily. While I agree that Trump is not what I would describe as "desirable", what his presidency will look like has yet to be seen. I don't hold with the people who ardently defend him, nor with those who are heaping hate on him, but most of the vitriol is based on what people are certain he will do. I'm hoping it won't be as bad as some are sure it will, while I'm also worried that it might.

Steve, I am judging him due to what he did already, which to me is more than enough for a very final judgement, not what I imagine he might do - that would be rather baseless.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Not so. I have to agree with our right-leaning members on this one. The sole reason our country is being torn apart right now is the hate (not anger, which implies a reason, but simple hate) the other side has for him. The left hated Bush before the 2000 election, and they hated him before we went into Iraq. Those outcomes only gave them the reason they were already looking for. Likewise the obvious disdain the Right has for Hillary. While there are reasons to dislike them both, I don't see the venom from either side as warranted.

Wait a second, you just put it as if anyone who really hates him doesn't have a good reason. How so? Again, me? He gave me all the reasons to make up my opinion.
Yes, there are bandwagon haters on both sides who just preach to the choir, but in trumps case I easily see why many speak of actual hate and do see the venom as warranted, as you put it.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No, but not for the reasons you project. While people can vilify the Right in this country (and much of it is deserved), I don't believe the Right would have made the huge deal out of it that the Left is. I'm not talking about the Powers That Be in this case, but what I've seen from the common people. As I've said before, I've unfriended several people on FaceBook because of their continuing habit of reposting hate pictures, sometimes five or six times every day. One of them was from the Right, but by-and-large those people keep it to a reasonable level. The Left, not so much.

I think you're right that the right would not have made such a big deal out if it if November would have been different, you know why? Because it would have been baseless compared to trump.
Trump is a whole new level of ugly, that's why people are so extremely ob edge. I don't share your opinion that it's all just "haters gonna hate".

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No. It's because people are so wrapped up in what they believe is absolute truth that they don't care about the real problems, just their need to hate whatever they disagree with.

"people"? So again everyone with a strong anti trump opinion like me, do I understand you right? While I see your core message and agree, I do not think that it's just "hate for the reason of hate" or whatever. For me, these strong feelings are very easy to understand in trumps case.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually, you are the problem. Not you personally, but everybody on both sides of this question who see it as an absolute, and aren't willing to discuss what can actually be done. It's always easier to say "I'm right, and you're stupid" than it is to say "Well, I could be wrong. Let's talk about it." As long as so many on both sides have this attitude, the problems will continue.

Ok honestly. What is left to discuss?
I said, don't do it. "Do not make this mistake and vote trump, and here is why."
Now we have trump but I am expected to deliver a solution because I'm against him?
Sorry, no. And it has nothing to do with me being right and whoever else is stupid, I do not hold such extreme views usually, however, in a clear case like trump - I do not see why I wouldn't be allowed to.

Maybe I misunderstood what you said, if so, sorry. I'm really tired and after talking trump for hours, my head feels like a mushy melon. I wanted to call it a day hours ago, yet didn't want to leave you unanswered.