The Scottish Independence thread - Yay or Nay? - Page 7

09-09-14, 02:38 PM

Fly the flag.
https://skynews.grabyo.com/g/v/P25wqfTO9M3

ExFishermanBob · 09-09-14, 03:04 PM

Well, this is Scotland. Objected to the poll tax and marched against it without riots.

When it was introduced in England a year later, they had riots.

In 2012 there were riots in England. They did not spread to Scotland.

I doubt very much that there will be any riots.

Oberon · 09-09-14, 03:13 PM

Exactly, Scotland got most of the rioting out of its system in the 17th and 18th century.

TarJak · 09-09-14, 03:17 PM

Nah, they were aw doon pub watching fitbah.

ExFishermanBob · 09-09-14, 03:24 PM

Actually, if it is, as I expect, a resounding Yes, New Year will be a real riot! So will Burns' Night.

By the way, if you haven't seen this (assuming you know who Alex Salmond is), it is very funny as it picks up on a number of his traits. No-one seems to know whether it is pro or anti.

https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond

Egan · 09-09-14, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

As I understand it they are looking to remain part of the Commonwealth as an independent constitutional monarchy, meaning the Lizzie remains the Queen. Correct me if I've got that wrong though.

Until she dies and then there may be a referendum on the issue.

ExFishermanBob · 09-09-14, 03:51 PM

Indeed. Scots are sovereign and get to choose our monarch. And dismiss them - in fact, we could have one for four years, and if they were any good, let them stay for another four years.

Sound familiar?

Trevally. · 09-09-14, 04:30 PM

Well worth a ponder http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...?commentpage=5

Egan · 09-09-14, 04:42 PM

I'm not a fan of Monbiot but that's two good articles he's written about the subject in the last couple of weeks. Contrast with Jonathan Freeland a few days ago - 'but I'm a London Based Media person, what does it mean for meeee?'

Yep, not gettin' it, are you Johnny?

Is Farage coming up the morra too? Are they all sharing Clegg's Mini? Bless. There's a sit-com in there somewhere....

ExFishermanBob · 09-09-14, 05:00 PM

No - Farage is Friday. He said he's going to save the Union.

Must have changed his mind.

---

Yes, a very good article.

TarJak · 09-10-14, 12:50 AM

None of this should be a concern should it?http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-1...ndence/5733088

BossMark · 09-10-14, 01:19 AM

Latest odds from Billy Hills

No 2\5

Yes 7\4

Skybird · 09-10-14, 05:04 AM

The Wetsenr politcla oprder is the order of the big business monopolkists, and the banks, so is the Euro. Scotland falling away from the British flag sends a signal that people can put the usually unquersitoned obedience to these ionto querstion, no matter wqhether the motive and expectaion is relaistic or not. That is why it is so very dangerous for established politics and politicians, and banks.

Established politics are the enemy of freedom. People demanding freedom, are an enemy to such politics.

Just remember what they did to the referendum about the EU constitution. First the rejection there were, were ignored, and a second round was done to overrule the first outcome: and in the second run people no longer were asked, but just confronted with established facts decided on behind locked doors by our lords and feudal masters. Obedience to the new political caste - that is the civil duty. Not freedom and civil rights. Freedom just destroys the monopoles of power and control. How unwanted!

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But I still have not heard about Scotland's plan about its currency. The Pound they probably cannot keep, and that is good. How can you claim to be independent when you depend on somebody else? How to distribute the astronomic debts of the UK some of which Scotland must take responsiblility for - those that got caused by the difference between Scottish tax money moving south, and money flowing back North to Scotland, that is. A Euro-membership is imo out of the question, at least it should be, for the time being, since it is unclear whether Scotland would be only a net receiver or not. Weak members the Eurozone and the EU in general already has more than enough. We need no more hungry mouths at the table.

So, I have big sympathy, but the thing is very tricky, and most likely will see many Scots suffering losses, at least in the first years. Very innovative, new politics are needed that must be quite different and very realistic from the mainstream practiced everywhere. It is desirable and worthwhile to aspire such dramatical changes, but probably not to be expected realistically.

On the other hand, in the medium or long run the whole Westenr financial system is inevitably collapsing sooner or later. Depending on what comes afterwards, or what gets enforced by our fantastic elites afterwards (possibly just a reincarnation of the same paper sh!t we have had in the past decades since Keynes started his crusade against economic reason), Scotland maybe finds itself getting through the storm better than if it would have stayed with the UK, the Pound, and the eurozone. Difficult to foresee the future, Yoda warns.

TarJak · 09-10-14, 06:28 AM

The elections impact on the pound is already being felt. Banks don't see that changing in the medium term unless there is clarity about how the money pie will be split up:
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=USD&view=1Y

Trevally. · 09-10-14, 06:31 AM

102 and 103

Up here in Scotland these are old topics and have been done to death - a quick search will give many answers/reason

Here is something positive

14th richest county - i'm sure we will be ok

09-09-14, 04:30 PM	#98
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Well worth a ponder http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...?commentpage=5 __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

09-09-14, 05:00 PM	#100
ExFishermanBob Difficulties Numbing Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: AN19 Posts: 470 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	No - Farage is Friday. He said he's going to save the Union. Must have changed his mind. --- Yes, a very good article. Last edited by ExFishermanBob; 09-09-14 at 05:14 PM.

09-10-14, 01:19 AM	#102
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Latest odds from Billy Hills No 2\5 Yes 7\4 __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

09-10-14, 05:04 AM	#103
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,649 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The Wetsenr politcla oprder is the order of the big business monopolkists, and the banks, so is the Euro. Scotland falling away from the British flag sends a signal that people can put the usually unquersitoned obedience to these ionto querstion, no matter wqhether the motive and expectaion is relaistic or not. That is why it is so very dangerous for established politics and politicians, and banks. Established politics are the enemy of freedom. People demanding freedom, are an enemy to such politics. Just remember what they did to the referendum about the EU constitution. First the rejection there were, were ignored, and a second round was done to overrule the first outcome: and in the second run people no longer were asked, but just confronted with established facts decided on behind locked doors by our lords and feudal masters. Obedience to the new political caste - that is the civil duty. Not freedom and civil rights. Freedom just destroys the monopoles of power and control. How unwanted! --- But I still have not heard about Scotland's plan about its currency. The Pound they probably cannot keep, and that is good. How can you claim to be independent when you depend on somebody else? How to distribute the astronomic debts of the UK some of which Scotland must take responsiblility for - those that got caused by the difference between Scottish tax money moving south, and money flowing back North to Scotland, that is. A Euro-membership is imo out of the question, at least it should be, for the time being, since it is unclear whether Scotland would be only a net receiver or not. Weak members the Eurozone and the EU in general already has more than enough. We need no more hungry mouths at the table. So, I have big sympathy, but the thing is very tricky, and most likely will see many Scots suffering losses, at least in the first years. Very innovative, new politics are needed that must be quite different and very realistic from the mainstream practiced everywhere. It is desirable and worthwhile to aspire such dramatical changes, but probably not to be expected realistically. On the other hand, in the medium or long run the whole Westenr financial system is inevitably collapsing sooner or later. Depending on what comes afterwards, or what gets enforced by our fantastic elites afterwards (possibly just a reincarnation of the same paper sh!t we have had in the past decades since Keynes started his crusade against economic reason), Scotland maybe finds itself getting through the storm better than if it would have stayed with the UK, the Pound, and the eurozone. Difficult to foresee the future, Yoda warns. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-10-14, 06:31 AM	#105
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	102 and 103 Up here in Scotland these are old topics and have been done to death - a quick search will give many answers/reason Here is something positive 14th richest county - i'm sure we will be ok __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

09-09-14, 02:38 PM	#91
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Fly the flag. https://skynews.grabyo.com/g/v/P25wqfTO9M3

09-09-14, 03:04 PM	#92
ExFishermanBob Difficulties Numbing Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: AN19 Posts: 470 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Well, this is Scotland. Objected to the poll tax and marched against it without riots. When it was introduced in England a year later, they had riots. In 2012 there were riots in England. They did not spread to Scotland. I doubt very much that there will be any riots.

09-09-14, 03:13 PM	#93
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Exactly, Scotland got most of the rioting out of its system in the 17th and 18th century.

09-09-14, 03:17 PM	#94
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Nah, they were aw doon pub watching fitbah.

09-09-14, 03:24 PM	#95
ExFishermanBob Difficulties Numbing Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: AN19 Posts: 470 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Actually, if it is, as I expect, a resounding Yes, New Year will be a real riot! So will Burns' Night. By the way, if you haven't seen this (assuming you know who Alex Salmond is), it is very funny as it picks up on a number of his traits. No-one seems to know whether it is pro or anti. https://twitter.com/AngrySalmond

09-09-14, 03:51 PM	#97
ExFishermanBob Difficulties Numbing Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: AN19 Posts: 470 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Indeed. Scots are sovereign and get to choose our monarch. And dismiss them - in fact, we could have one for four years, and if they were any good, let them stay for another four years. Sound familiar?

09-09-14, 04:42 PM	#99
Egan Admiral Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I'm not a fan of Monbiot but that's two good articles he's written about the subject in the last couple of weeks. Contrast with Jonathan Freeland a few days ago - 'but I'm a London Based Media person, what does it mean for meeee?' Yep, not gettin' it, are you Johnny? Is Farage coming up the morra too? Are they all sharing Clegg's Mini? Bless. There's a sit-com in there somewhere....

09-10-14, 12:50 AM	#101
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	None of this should be a concern should it?http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-1...ndence/5733088

09-10-14, 06:28 AM	#104
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	The elections impact on the pound is already being felt. Banks don't see that changing in the medium term unless there is clarity about how the money pie will be split up: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=USD&view=1Y