Ready to admit your were wrong?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Spoken like a true liberal

What exactly does political belief have to do with someone thinking you're a troll? Whether he's right or wrong in his political beliefs or in his belief that you're a troll is irrelevant - the one has nothing to do with the other, and your assumption is invalid.

[Oberon]

This kind of thread goes on for too long, and since it's clear that people will not let it sink out of sight, and indeed neither will Bubbles it's really probably best that it be locked.

[Tchocky]

Pfft. Locking is admitting defeat. Persistence hunting is what we're talking about.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

On what grounds? That you personally don't like it? There are many threads that one person or another thinks goes on too long, and many that one person or another thinks serves no purpose. Were they all to be locked there wouldn't be many threads left.

It's a pointless circle-bait of a thread, Bubbles is never going to give up his bloodlust for Obama and the current US administration, and people trying to point out the flaws in his arguement, whilst amusing, are essentially fighting a battle they cannot win, and this will just result in name calling and heated arguments. But, there's a lot of that about so I suppose it doesn't really matter.

In short, yeah, I don't really like this thread, nor what it does to people, but I don't really matter, so carry on, and I'll keep watching.

Is it safe?

A classic

Everyone, please try to remember Bubbles is ostensibly in law school and therefore is much more knowledgdeable than we mere mortals on matters of government and law, particularly constitutional law.

Good point. Though as he said that all the staff at school were dumb and knew nothing about law, plus all the students in the school were dumb too. So wouldn't that mean that his education in law is somewhat lacking?

[Sailor Steve]

I posted that by accident. I was composing a much longer post, then decided to back out of it altogether. When I saw I had accidentally posted it anyway I deleted it, but apparently too late. Since you quoted it before I could delete it, I'll continue.

If we know where every thread of this nature is going to go, then should we not lock every one of them after the first post? That might seem to make sense, but then where do you draw the line? Should he really be brigged, or even banned? Why. I advocate infractions for abusive language and name-calling, even if it's against a non-member, such as a public figure. For topic spamming? Bubble head starts a huge number of threads. Most of them are on the SH4 forums and about the game. In that context he is consistently helpful. He doesn't post political threads in GT as often as it seems. His last one was three weeks ago. The previous one was about three weeks before that. Of course it could be argued that one such thread should have been where the line was drawn, but unless someone breaks an actual rule it's hard to justify that line.

His political beliefs are his own. He needs to learn how to express them in a manner that convinces people to listen to him rather than his current manner, which only convinces people that he's a nutcase. I argue with him a lot because I always have hope that he will finally figure that out some day. More flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

Threads like this might annoy some, but while they may not serve any real purpose the don't do any real harm either. I've recently heard it proposed that threads like the Joke thread, Four Word Story Game thread and especially the Tories thread are useless and should be closed. Should they? For the most part I feel that way, but for the most part I don't read them, so they don't really affect me.

I don't know what the answers are, and if I believed I did I'd probably be wrong.

[vienna]

Good point. Though as he said that all the staff at school were dumb and knew nothing about law, plus all the students in the school were dumb too. So wouldn't that mean that his education in law is somewhat lacking?

And, as I recall, according to Bubbles both faculty and students are a lot of liberals, to boot. So, I would suppose, if he fails to pass his bar, it really wouldn't be his fault, would it? It would just be part of that vast liberal conspiracy headed by Obama and those who control him. It must be good for Bubbles to have an out that relieves him of all culpability for his shortcomings...

No, wait, blaming the world, I believe, is classed as a liberal fallback...


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[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

You know in my life I have found out more often then not the most intolerant people on this earth are the ones who call themselves "Liberal". I still don't understand why they can be so close-minded when someone disagrees with them.

That's interesting given that my experience has been the opposite. It is was changed me from being a 700 Club Reagan conservative into what I am today. Perhaps the truth is in the middle ground.

[desertstriker]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Good point. Though as he said that all the staff at school were dumb and knew nothing about law, plus all the students in the school were dumb too. So wouldn't that mean that his education in law is somewhat lacking?

no just means he thinks he knows more than his professors who are a hell of a lot older and more experienced than him. i have seen people with that attitude and of the 5 i know 4 get their law licensees suspended regulary and 2 of those 4 can no longer practice law . It is pretty funny that the 1 has never had a suspension got out in the real world and changed his ways fast and no longer thinks they know it all. perhaps we can hope once bubbles gets into the real world his attitude changes a bit just as my friends has.

a fun fact for you guys though studies are showing the less you know the more you think you know of course i got that from a psychology professor.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Threads like this might annoy some, but while they may not serve any real purpose the don't do any real harm either. I've recently heard it proposed that threads like the Joke thread, Four Word Story Game thread and especially the Tories thread are useless and should be closed. Should they? For the most part I feel that way, but for the most part I don't read them, so they don't really affect me

The thing is that threads like this and dozens of others that you see here today weren't permitted in the good old days when this website was actually about video games. Nowadays, I see the commonplace acceptance of the argument and wonder how long it is before Mr. Stevens sells the domain off to Infowars. The progression has been gradual, but I don't think one can deny that things have changed drastically since I joined 13 years ago.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by desertstriker

a fun fact for you guys though studies are showing the less you know the more you think you know of course i got that from a psychology professor.

Read my current sig. I also have another Solzhenitsyn quote in my collection of similar character: “It's a universal law – intolerance is the first sign of an inadequate education. An ill-educated person behaves with arrogant impatience, whereas truly profound education breeds humility.”

And a third, but this one's by one of my favorite quote-makers - me. It's also the perfect match for your professor's quote.

"It's said that the more we learn, the less we know. I've reached a point in my life where I've learned so much I'm now convinced I don't know anything."

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I posted that by accident. I was composing a much longer post, then decided to back out of it altogether. When I saw I had accidentally posted it anyway I deleted it, but apparently too late. Since you quoted it before I could delete it, I'll continue.

If we know where every thread of this nature is going to go, then should we not lock every one of them after the first post? That might seem to make sense, but then where do you draw the line? Should he really be brigged, or even banned? Why. I advocate infractions for abusive language and name-calling, even if it's against a non-member, such as a public figure. For topic spamming? Bubble head starts a huge number of threads. Most of them are on the SH4 forums and about the game. In that context he is consistently helpful. He doesn't post political threads in GT as often as it seems. His last one was three weeks ago. The previous one was about three weeks before that. Of course it could be argued that one such thread should have been where the line was drawn, but unless someone breaks an actual rule it's hard to justify that line.

His political beliefs are his own. He needs to learn how to express them in a manner that convinces people to listen to him rather than his current manner, which only convinces people that he's a nutcase. I argue with him a lot because I always have hope that he will finally figure that out some day. More flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

Threads like this might annoy some, but while they may not serve any real purpose the don't do any real harm either. I've recently heard it proposed that threads like the Joke thread, Four Word Story Game thread and especially the Tories thread are useless and should be closed. Should they? For the most part I feel that way, but for the most part I don't read them, so they don't really affect me.

I don't know what the answers are, and if I believed I did I'd probably be wrong.

I will admit, his thread generation rate has come down remarkably since Yubbas brig time, a shot across the bows perhaps, but personally I wouldn't brig or ban Bubblehead, whilst his arguments are poorly constructed they are not generally offensive nor any more inflamatory than some other people around here.
I'd consider merging some threads though, such as this one with the Conspiracy theory thread, since they are both about the same level of discussion, and then perhaps pull the conspiracy theories out of the Syrian thread and put that in there too. It might make the Conspiracy thread a bit messy, but it's already pretty messy anyway.
But, like I've said before, I'm not a moderator and I wouldn't make a very good one anyway, I'm too hardline, and the axe would come out a bit too often I suspect. So I defer to those that are, and just pipe up from time to time when frustration overcomes inertia.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Oberon

But, like I've said before, I'm not a moderator and I wouldn't make a very good one anyway, I'm too hardline, and the axe would come out a bit too often I suspect. So I defer to those that are, and just pipe up from time to time when frustration overcomes inertia.

You'd make a better moderator than you think. I think I have demonstrated that an axe-heavy approach is not at all bad for the community. Frankly, if I ran WhatTakedaThinks.com, you'd be a mod.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I'd consider merging some threads though, such as this one with the Conspiracy theory thread, since they are both about the same level of discussion, and then perhaps pull the conspiracy theories out of the Syrian thread and put that in there too. It might make the Conspiracy thread a bit messy, but it's already pretty messy anyway.

Excellent observation.

But, like I've said before, I'm not a moderator and I wouldn't make a very good one anyway

You might be surprised. There are guidelines and some rules, so it's not that easy to do what you want.

I'm too hardline, and the axe would come out a bit too often I suspect.

So am I, and sometimes I go to far. That's one of Neal's jobs, keeping his staff in line. I've made more than a few mistakes, and I sometimes call myself a Nazi where the rules are concerned. But we learn, and a part of that learning is finding out how the boss wants things run. We even get to disagree sometimes. I sometimes also disagree more than I should, but Neal is always willing to listen and to talk things over rationally. It's not that hard, mainly because he makes it so. You'd probably do better than you think.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You'd make a better moderator than you think. I think I have demonstrated that an axe-heavy approach is not at all bad for the community. Frankly, if I ran WhatTakedaThinks.com, you'd be a mod.

This better be the homepage banner!


HunterICX