Ready to admit your were wrong?

[Sailor Steve]

I posted that by accident. I was composing a much longer post, then decided to back out of it altogether. When I saw I had accidentally posted it anyway I deleted it, but apparently too late. Since you quoted it before I could delete it, I'll continue.

If we know where every thread of this nature is going to go, then should we not lock every one of them after the first post? That might seem to make sense, but then where do you draw the line? Should he really be brigged, or even banned? Why. I advocate infractions for abusive language and name-calling, even if it's against a non-member, such as a public figure. For topic spamming? Bubble head starts a huge number of threads. Most of them are on the SH4 forums and about the game. In that context he is consistently helpful. He doesn't post political threads in GT as often as it seems. His last one was three weeks ago. The previous one was about three weeks before that. Of course it could be argued that one such thread should have been where the line was drawn, but unless someone breaks an actual rule it's hard to justify that line.

His political beliefs are his own. He needs to learn how to express them in a manner that convinces people to listen to him rather than his current manner, which only convinces people that he's a nutcase. I argue with him a lot because I always have hope that he will finally figure that out some day. More flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

Threads like this might annoy some, but while they may not serve any real purpose the don't do any real harm either. I've recently heard it proposed that threads like the Joke thread, Four Word Story Game thread and especially the Tories thread are useless and should be closed. Should they? For the most part I feel that way, but for the most part I don't read them, so they don't really affect me.

I don't know what the answers are, and if I believed I did I'd probably be wrong.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Threads like this might annoy some, but while they may not serve any real purpose the don't do any real harm either. I've recently heard it proposed that threads like the Joke thread, Four Word Story Game thread and especially the Tories thread are useless and should be closed. Should they? For the most part I feel that way, but for the most part I don't read them, so they don't really affect me

The thing is that threads like this and dozens of others that you see here today weren't permitted in the good old days when this website was actually about video games. Nowadays, I see the commonplace acceptance of the argument and wonder how long it is before Mr. Stevens sells the domain off to Infowars. The progression has been gradual, but I don't think one can deny that things have changed drastically since I joined 13 years ago.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I posted that by accident. I was composing a much longer post, then decided to back out of it altogether. When I saw I had accidentally posted it anyway I deleted it, but apparently too late. Since you quoted it before I could delete it, I'll continue.

If we know where every thread of this nature is going to go, then should we not lock every one of them after the first post? That might seem to make sense, but then where do you draw the line? Should he really be brigged, or even banned? Why. I advocate infractions for abusive language and name-calling, even if it's against a non-member, such as a public figure. For topic spamming? Bubble head starts a huge number of threads. Most of them are on the SH4 forums and about the game. In that context he is consistently helpful. He doesn't post political threads in GT as often as it seems. His last one was three weeks ago. The previous one was about three weeks before that. Of course it could be argued that one such thread should have been where the line was drawn, but unless someone breaks an actual rule it's hard to justify that line.

His political beliefs are his own. He needs to learn how to express them in a manner that convinces people to listen to him rather than his current manner, which only convinces people that he's a nutcase. I argue with him a lot because I always have hope that he will finally figure that out some day. More flies with honey than with vinegar and all that.

Threads like this might annoy some, but while they may not serve any real purpose the don't do any real harm either. I've recently heard it proposed that threads like the Joke thread, Four Word Story Game thread and especially the Tories thread are useless and should be closed. Should they? For the most part I feel that way, but for the most part I don't read them, so they don't really affect me.

I don't know what the answers are, and if I believed I did I'd probably be wrong.

I will admit, his thread generation rate has come down remarkably since Yubbas brig time, a shot across the bows perhaps, but personally I wouldn't brig or ban Bubblehead, whilst his arguments are poorly constructed they are not generally offensive nor any more inflamatory than some other people around here.
I'd consider merging some threads though, such as this one with the Conspiracy theory thread, since they are both about the same level of discussion, and then perhaps pull the conspiracy theories out of the Syrian thread and put that in there too. It might make the Conspiracy thread a bit messy, but it's already pretty messy anyway.
But, like I've said before, I'm not a moderator and I wouldn't make a very good one anyway, I'm too hardline, and the axe would come out a bit too often I suspect. So I defer to those that are, and just pipe up from time to time when frustration overcomes inertia.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Oberon

But, like I've said before, I'm not a moderator and I wouldn't make a very good one anyway, I'm too hardline, and the axe would come out a bit too often I suspect. So I defer to those that are, and just pipe up from time to time when frustration overcomes inertia.

You'd make a better moderator than you think. I think I have demonstrated that an axe-heavy approach is not at all bad for the community. Frankly, if I ran WhatTakedaThinks.com, you'd be a mod.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You'd make a better moderator than you think. I think I have demonstrated that an axe-heavy approach is not at all bad for the community. Frankly, if I ran WhatTakedaThinks.com, you'd be a mod.

This better be the homepage banner!


HunterICX

[vienna]

Bubbles, just found a new avatar for you:





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[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by vienna

Bubbles, just found a new avatar for you:





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it's authori-tye

[Bubblehead1980]

Amazes me the number of members who implore the mods to ban those they dislike. Really, should stop and see how wrong that is and ask yourself where you went wrong as a person. I may find left wingers ridiculous and will call them out, antagonize, argue etc but you'll never hear me say "shut them up, ban them" because that is a key element of liberty, freedom of speech. I despise MSNBC but I will be honest, I watch it, mainly as a know they enemy thing and for a good laugh. Occasionally, I agree with what is said.I dislike what many classmates say, but would never try to ban them etc, just fight the battles with the facts and try to expose those who are unaware.I know I have made a difference, after years of fighting this battle, I have seen several wake up, I have seen a large number of our citizens wake up, it's a process for sure.

Liberals are usually the ones who call for manipulation of free speech, via the "fairness doctrine" or just outright suppression because they can't win on ideas and they know it.Honestly, has any liberal presidential candidate in recent years floating any ideas that really make sense? No, they play identity politics.Race, class, gender, sexual orientation etc They use emotion based rhetoric to try and fool the populace into voting for an empty chair.Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not, it did the last two cycles.

Conservatives(not Republicans) but real conservatives float ideas, like follow the constitution, stop the economic rape via taxes and debt, stop trying to play beat cop for the world, demand respect for individual rights.Crazy things like that, i know.Republican neocon and RINO's caused a lot of damage because they were lumped in the collective psyche of many uninformed voters as conservatives.

All of that aside, the point of the thread was to see if anyone of my online friends in the forum were willing to admit they regret their vote and support for Barack Hussein Obama.I was curious since I've had a couple of friends in day to day life admit they were wrong. Despite what certain members will say, I will admit when I am wrong.

I was wrong to not check out a story a while back(the photo thing, the young kids in tactical gear, turned out to not be DHS but some police explorers or something) but does that mean I am wrong about other things? no. We all make mistakes.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Oberon

I'd consider merging some threads though, such as this one with the Conspiracy theory thread, since they are both about the same level of discussion, and then perhaps pull the conspiracy theories out of the Syrian thread and put that in there too. It might make the Conspiracy thread a bit messy, but it's already pretty messy anyway.

Excellent observation.

But, like I've said before, I'm not a moderator and I wouldn't make a very good one anyway

You might be surprised. There are guidelines and some rules, so it's not that easy to do what you want.

I'm too hardline, and the axe would come out a bit too often I suspect.

So am I, and sometimes I go to far. That's one of Neal's jobs, keeping his staff in line. I've made more than a few mistakes, and I sometimes call myself a Nazi where the rules are concerned. But we learn, and a part of that learning is finding out how the boss wants things run. We even get to disagree sometimes. I sometimes also disagree more than I should, but Neal is always willing to listen and to talk things over rationally. It's not that hard, mainly because he makes it so. You'd probably do better than you think.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Excellent observation.


You might be surprised. There are guidelines and some rules, so it's not that easy to do what you want.


So am I, and sometimes I go to far. That's one of Neal's jobs, keeping his staff in line. I've made more than a few mistakes, and I sometimes call myself a Nazi where the rules are concerned. But we learn, and a part of that learning is finding out how the boss wants things run. We even get to disagree sometimes. I sometimes also disagree more than I should, but Neal is always willing to listen and to talk things over rationally. It's not that hard, mainly because he makes it so. You'd probably do better than you think.

It's not really keeping anyone in line. I would hope it's more of a cooperative effort.

As for banning people who post what many consider nutty opinions, is that really the best way to approach it? I prefer to reserve banning for straight out violations of the rules. So what if one or two guys think Obama is gearing up to take over the country. That kind of thinking does not threaten my concept of reality.

Now, if someone topic spams 10 threads to the same tune, I can see pulling out the ban hammer for that.

[vienna]

...I can see pulling out the ban hammer for that.

It's finally out: Neal is actually Thor!...


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[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by vienna

It's finally out: Neal is actually Thor!...


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Well guess that means that the topic spammers had better stay Loki.

[Wolferz]

I'm sorry I convinced you to have an open mind.
How was I to know that your brain would fall out?
Maybe a hair net would solve the problem?
I freely admit that I was wrong.