[REL] Real Fleet Boat mod kicks off

[Beery]

I don't know if this has anything to do with the issue, but the RFB default settings are set high, so unless you change settings before a career it defaults to the high settings.

[Beery]

I'm finding it hard to get detailed info on types of submarines available at the various ports featured in the game at various time periods. Does anyone know if there's a website or book where I might find such info?

[nimitstexan]

Originally Posted by Beery

I'm finding it hard to get detailed info on types of submarines available at the various ports featured in the game at various time periods. Does anyone know if there's a website or book where I might find such info?

Do you have Clay Blair's Silent Victory? One of the Appendices in the book is a complete list of all US War Patrols Dec 1941-Aug 1945, organized by base departed from. It list's the subs by name, rather than class, but it would be easy enough (though perhaps somewhat time consuming) to cross reference the name with a class.

[clayton]

Originally Posted by Beery

I'm finding it hard to get detailed info on types of submarines available at the various ports featured in the game at various time periods. Does anyone know if there's a website or book where I might find such info?

Call me crazy but I think they may be correct in the game. I've clicked until I've gotten the boat that I wanted to play, referencing http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/04idx.htm and they seem to be in the correct port at the correct time.

[LZ_Baker]

Originally Posted by nimitstexan

Do you have Clay Blair's Silent Victory? One of the Appendices in the book is a complete list of all US War Patrols Dec 1941-Aug 1945, organized by base departed from. It list's the subs by name, rather than class, but it would be easy enough (though perhaps somewhat time consuming) to cross reference the name with a class.

Its acually kinda easy for the earlier classes as all the boats started with the same letter as the first ship -
Sargo | Saury | Spearfish | Sculpin | Sailfish (ex-Squalus) | Swordfish | Seadragon | Sealion | Searaven | Seawolf

I work for the navy and a few of the guys have BAE poster with a list of all the US subs from the Holland to Virginia. Maybe I can find it somewhere online or just snag one.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by nimitstexan

Do you have Clay Blair's Silent Victory? One of the Appendices in the book is a complete list of all US War Patrols Dec 1941-Aug 1945, organized by base departed from. It list's the subs by name, rather than class, but it would be easy enough (though perhaps somewhat time consuming) to cross reference the name with a class.

The book seems very good - I only got it today so I haven't really started reading it yet. But although the appendices list patrols they don't list what boats types were assigned to each command, what precise dates boats first sailed on offensive patrols, when they returned from their last patrol, what type of boat they were or what squadron or division they belonged to. Basically none of the stuff I'd need to know to enable me to add info to the game or to correct the flotilla.upc, CampaignStart.upc or the submarine roster files is in there.

[clayton]

Maybe this might help though it would require you to have to look up each boat to find out where it was and at what time.

http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/submar/

[Beery]

Originally Posted by clayton

Call me crazy but I think they may be correct in the game. I've clicked until I've gotten the boat that I wanted to play, referencing http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/04idx.htm and they seem to be in the correct port at the correct time.

I'll check that source out, but if I recall correctly the info is only listed on a per-boat basis and in prose form, which makes it a lot harder to check.

Anyway, my main problem is that I need to generate all new availability dates for the different sub types in the CampaignStart.upc file for all the new start dates I've created. The standard game uses none of these dates and the boat type listings in this file aren't determined by any other file that governs boat availability - for example if you put a Balao class sub in the CampaignStart.upc file in December 1941 it will give you a Balao class boat even though the roster files may not have any Balao class boat appearing for three more years.

One thing I've done which gives me a clue as to the first sortie of a boat type is to look at the first boats of the type (which the class is named after), but when I did this with the German boats in SH3 I often found that boats commissioned first weren't always first to do a patrol, and sometimes they were months behind the first boats to sail. I'm a bit worried that this could be the same for the American subs, but the only way to check seems to be to go through the list of boats individually.

I have found one reference that gives a bit of a clue - the New Vanguard book 'US Submarines 1941-45' gives type availability by year, but I'd need at least a monthly list in order to get to the accuracy I'd like. With the U-boat war there were lots of sources from which to get such info - as I recall, Clay Blair's books on the U-Boat war went into much more detail in the appendixes than he goes into for the US subs in 'Silent Victory'.

The other issue is that there seem to be no sources at all which list what types of subs were available for each fleet, nor are there details of which divisions were assigned to each fleet.

Basically there's just a lack of info compared to what I was used to when I was researching for RUb.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by clayton

Maybe this might help though it would require you to have to look up each boat to find out where it was and at what time.

http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/submar/

I'm thinking that's what I'll probably have to do. At least it won't be as time consuming as doing so for the German U-boats would have been. If I recall correctly there are only 250 or so boats to research.

[Bilge_Rat]

Beery, are you looking of the info by class?

for example,

-the U.S.S. Gato, lead boat of the Gato class was commissioned in 1941 and went out on its 1st war patrol from Pearl in april '42;


-the U.S.S. Balao, lead boat of the Balao class was commissioned in 1943 and went out on its 1st war patrol from Brisbane in july '43.

[Egan]

Beery: This might be what you need.

http://uboat.net/allies/warships/typ...type=Submarine

Uboat.net has major listing for about 9000 Allied ships and boats in all theatres.

The sub listings are broken down by class and name and include the exact dates they were laid down, launched, commisioned and decommisioned. Gives notable facts which seems to include where they first patrolled from. May not be complete (but certainly looks it.) you should be able to cross reference with other sources to find the exact flottilas and bases should that info be missing here.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Beery, are you looking of the info by class?

Yeah, but I still have to go through every sub. I was thinking more on it this morning though - I think I'm being a bit whiny - I just got spoiled when I was researching the U-boat war, with all the German info in chart form in various books and websites.

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Egan

Beery: This might be what you need.

http://uboat.net/allies/warships/typ...type=Submarine

Uboat.net has major listing for about 9000 Allied ships and boats in all theatres.

The sub listings are broken down by class and name and include the exact dates they were laid down, launched, commisioned and decommisioned. Gives notable facts which seems to include where they first patrolled from. May not be complete (but certainly looks it.) you should be able to cross reference with other sources to find the exact flottilas and bases should that info be missing here.

Weird - I missed your message until just now.

Wow! I had no idea that U-boat.net had listings for Allied subs. This has a lot of the info I need and contains every patrol start date - just what I need! Thanks!

[clayton]

Originally Posted by Egan

Beery: This might be what you need.

http://uboat.net/allies/warships/typ...type=Submarine

Uboat.net has major listing for about 9000 Allied ships and boats in all theatres.

The sub listings are broken down by class and name and include the exact dates they were laid down, launched, commisioned and decommisioned. Gives notable facts which seems to include where they first patrolled from. May not be complete (but certainly looks it.) you should be able to cross reference with other sources to find the exact flottilas and bases should that info be missing here.

Nice!!!

What a quick, easy reference where one doesn't have to go through mountains of reports to get to the heart of the matter.

[Egan]

Never doubt the power of Uboat.net my friends: 'tis the bible for everything shiny and sinkable.

Lots of information on there about everything and everyone.

Actually, looking through it, I had no idea the US operated from a base at Milne bay on New Guinnea. Interesting. Is this in the game?