The proposed health care bill thread (merged)

[AVGWarhawk]

Thats where a problem arises, things like this rapidly become popular no matter how badly screwed up the actual details are.
Just look at the protesters who wanted the government out of healthcare...but don't mess with the government healthcare they get

What government healthcare do they get sir? With exception of medicad/medicare for the elderly there is nothing else. These people protesting do not want to lose what they have and worked for all their lives. Private health insurance. It is not government provided healthcare they are looking to save for themselves. Even so the actual details OTH is witnessed on the news tonight. An elderly couple in this plan will pay $700.00 less next year on medications. You think, great, however the premium on the healthcare itself will go up. THERE IS NO SAVINGS! NONE! The perscription savings is offset by the premium increase. Welcome to smoke and mirrors.

So what about motor insurance, business insurance, public liability insurance can the government not be making laws about people requiring them?

Only motor vehicle insurance is required by the state of Maryland. It does not matter anyway because the state does not offer insurance for cars and does not force you to purchase insurance from them if they did offer it. This argument of yours here does not work. The state and local by law require you have automobile insurance. But...the state does not offer nor requires you buy THEIR insurance. That is the fundamental difference.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Only motor vehicle insurance is required by the state of Maryland. It does not matter anyway because the state does not offer insurance for cars and does not force you to purchase insurance from them if they did offer it. This argument of yours here does not work. The state and local by law require you have automobile insurance. But...the state does not offer nor requires you buy THEIR insurance. That is the fundamental difference.

I might add that motor vehicle insurance is required to drive on public thoroughfares only. To drive a motor vehicle on your own land you don't even need a license let alone insurance.

[CaptainHaplo]

While I can't speak for other states, there has been one locally well known case where the driver of a motor vehicle was pulled and did not have a license - due to the fact he could not get one. He could not get one because in this state, they require your SSN - and he had legally removed himself form the SS system. *This entails a LOT of legal work due to the US of A being set up as a corporation in an of itself but thats another matter.* In the end - his constitutional right to freely travel was upheld, though it was a very long and expensive battle.

[Onkel Neal]

I don't get it, why wait until 2014 for the free insurance to take effect? What about the next 4 years? What's the point in creating a new law that takes effect after the President leaves office?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't get it, why wait until 2014 for the free insurance to take effect? What about the next 4 years? What's the point in creating a new law that takes effect after the President leaves office?

that way it will be the next guy's fault

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't get it, why wait until 2014 for the free insurance to take effect? What about the next 4 years? What's the point in creating a new law that takes effect after the President leaves office?

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

that way it will be the next guy's fault

Not too unlike your British political cousins

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't get it, why wait until 2014 for the free insurance to take effect? What about the next 4 years? What's the point in creating a new law that takes effect after the President leaves office?

I will take that 4 years any day of the week. First, time for repeal. Second, time for election and elect a group of people to run the country who respect the people wishes and respect the Constitution. Next in charge at the White House dumps it completely. Third, if it sticks there should be 4 years of study and refinement of how this lame brain bill should function.

For the most part it looks like a political ploy to gain another 4 years. Think about it on the podium...Obama stating that if he is not re-elected his healthcare legislation could go bye bye. Watch and see.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

While I can't speak for other states, there has been one locally well known case where the driver of a motor vehicle was pulled and did not have a license - due to the fact he could not get one. He could not get one because in this state, they require your SSN - and he had legally removed himself form the SS system. *This entails a LOT of legal work due to the US of A being set up as a corporation in an of itself but thats another matter.* In the end - his constitutional right to freely travel was upheld, though it was a very long and expensive battle.

I'm sure it was. In MD the DMV says driving is not a right...it is a priviledge.

[August]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't get it, why wait until 2014 for the free insurance to take effect? What about the next 4 years? What's the point in creating a new law that takes effect after the President leaves office?

He probably plans to run for reelection on a "Stay the Course" platform.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

He probably plans to run for reelection on a "Stay the Course" platform.

Hmmmm were have we heard this before?

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't get it, why wait until 2014 for the free insurance to take effect? What about the next 4 years? What's the point in creating a new law that takes effect after the President leaves office?

Because he has a 'shot' at another four years

The timing is a bit uncanny no?

Originally Posted by August

It wasn't shown on Finn Pravda TV so it didn't happen.

Compared to US media? What media wouldn't be better then that.

[August]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Compared to US media? What media wouldn't be better then that.

What do you know about US media?

[SteamWake]

Harsh reality begins to rear its ugly head...

Originally Posted by Wall Street Journal

Even before President Obama signed the bill on Tuesday, Caterpillar said it would cost the company at least $100 million more in the first year alone. Medical device maker Medtronic warned that new taxes on its products could force it to lay off a thousand workers. Now Verizon joins the roll of businesses staring at adverse consequences.

In an email titled "President Obama Signs Health Care Legislation" sent to all employees Tuesday night, the telecom giant warned that "we expect that Verizon's costs will increase in the short term." While executive vice president for human resources Marc Reed wrote that "it is difficult at this point to gauge the precise impact of this legislation," and that ObamaCare does reflect some of the company's policy priorities, the message to workers was clear: Expect changes for the worse to your health benefits as the direct result of this bill, and maybe as soon as this year.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ctions_opinion

Originally Posted by August

What do you know about US media?

Most Finnish news and other media come unfiltered from some US source. We don't have our own media, everything is fed to us from the US media conglomerates.