GER politics thread - Page 68

Dowly · 06-21-20, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

What have communists and nazis in common? Three things. Both are socialists, are left. Both want totalitarianism, centralism, planned economy.

Why am I not surprised you hold that view...

Catfish · 06-21-20, 02:35 PM

Too much Mises, and a dash of Fox news

Skybird · 06-21-20, 02:48 PM

Too much of severla hisatorians over the yearsd who uphold that view as well.

I explained it often enough, and every time everyx word got ignrtoed, for it challemnges the usual narration. Them third reich was a super.exmaple of social cinbst5rcutiojk n you expect to see in a Soviet/cimmunist regime. And Hitlerreiterated in an adress tot he party in feb ruary 1944 or 1945 that in his view there are no fundamental differences between Bolschewism ands Nationalsocialism. It was a state-woned economy, either by expropriation of the fomrer owners or their volunbtary subordination by becoming loyal oarty emmbers. Money was created by the state. Private property was partially expropriated as wanted by the state. The individual meant nothing. The collective and the party meant everything.

Its even in the name: Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterpartei Deutschlands.

That the Sovjets after the war managed to make this similiarty between Hitlers and Stlains reigme forgotten, is maybe the most successful propaganda coup in the history of mankind, it allowed them to be celebrated as liberators while in fact representing the same system of polticla control and oprression as there was in the Third Reich. Be a bad guy but do not get called out for it! Brilliant.

Am I the only one noticing that the methods of opression and state cruelty in both regimes where practically the same, too? They even shared the love for campos, and general antisemitism. Same needs - same solutions.

Two children of one and the same spirit.

And no, I am not the first one saying that, nor was von Mises.

If both things are green, if both things jump and if both things squawk, if both things look alike, do alike and sound alike, I assume that both things are frogs. thats the reaosn why I do not prefer the one over the other, do not prefer Commies over Nazis or the other way around. To me they are all the same evil, and in distributing my contempt for both equally, I am absolutely unbiased.

Skybird · 06-21-20, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Too much Mises, and a dash of Fox news

The first I can forgive. The latter not.

Dowly · 06-21-20, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I explained it often enough, and every time everyx word got ignrtoed, for it challemnges the usual narration.

Your words are being ignored because they're batpoop insane. This is just your latest attempt at historical revisionism to forcefully fit something to your world view.

But hey, the silverlining is that now I at least know for sure what a raging right-winger you are. After all, they're the only ones spreading this crap in hopes to distance themselves from the Nazis.

Jimbuna · 06-21-20, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by iambecomelife

That's fine with me. Everyone else, cool down (yeah, I know I'm one to talk).

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Always and usually. No, it is always the right wing that begins, and the left only responds.
I am waiting who stops first, it also serves my post count

Seriously, best put it into the Germany thread.

Done

Skybird · 06-21-20, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Your words are being ignored because they're batpoop insane. This is just your latest attempt at historical revisionism to forcefully fit something to your world view.

But hey, the silverlining is that now I at least know for sure what a raging right-winger you are. After all, they're the only ones spreading this crap in hopes to distance themselves from the Nazis.

I recall to have linked TWO historians longer essays in direct reply to your derogatory complaints about this view in recent years. Instead of insisting on personal offence and holding a binocular the other way around before your eyes, I suggest you try putting it down and instead use ordinary wide field glasses matching your eyes' correct values. You then maybe will see the tunnel view effect going away immediately, and things in front of you suddenly appearing much bigger.

And hadn't you said you blacklisted me?

Skybird · 06-21-20, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Done

Hm? You seem to be in the wrong thread?

Jimbuna · 06-21-20, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Hm? You seem to be in the wrong thread?

Really?

If so, please enlighten me.

Catfish · 06-21-20, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I recall to have linked TWO historians longer essays in direct reply to your derogatory complaints about this view in recent years. blah.

You have linked two doubtful essays and opinion pieces opposing the historical and generally accepted school of thought, and just trying to revive it again and again does not make it more believable.
National socialism was "socialistic" as long as plundering and stealing from other nation's wealth worked, to calm down and buy the german ordinary citizen.
Any kind of socialism could have been initiated after a victory and an end of war in Europe, does anyone think Hitler would then have stepped back as a dictator, to build a worker and farmer state?

Skybird · 06-21-20, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Really?

If so, please enlighten me.

???? Whats going on?

Skybird · 06-21-20, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

You have linked two doubtful essays and opinion pieces opposing the historical and generally accepted school of thought,

The generally accepted thought is wrong so often that I stopped caring or counting, and it is not the point anyway. The point is that you do not like your own worldview being put into doubt. I recall the general tone of your answers back then, some of them. No argument, but bias, emotion and rant. And the apparently inevitable personal stab on some occasions. Sorry, that was not convincing back then, it has not become any more convincing today.

But anyhow...

skidman · 06-21-20, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Them third reich was a super.exmaple of social cinbst5rcutiojk n you expect to see in a Soviet/cimmunist regime.

OK, it's obvious what is happening on your keyboard. I wonder what is happening in your brain. All in all it leaves a totally devastating mark.

Dowly · 06-22-20, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I recall to have linked TWO historians longer essays in direct reply to your derogatory complaints about this view in recent years.

Not me I don't think since I just found out you hold these beliefs.

Jimbuna · 06-22-20, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

???? Whats going on?

That is me responding to your post #1013

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Hm? You seem to be in the wrong thread?

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06-21-20, 02:48 PM	#1008
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,742 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Too much of severla hisatorians over the yearsd who uphold that view as well. I explained it often enough, and every time everyx word got ignrtoed, for it challemnges the usual narration. Them third reich was a super.exmaple of social cinbst5rcutiojk n you expect to see in a Soviet/cimmunist regime. And Hitlerreiterated in an adress tot he party in feb ruary 1944 or 1945 that in his view there are no fundamental differences between Bolschewism ands Nationalsocialism. It was a state-woned economy, either by expropriation of the fomrer owners or their volunbtary subordination by becoming loyal oarty emmbers. Money was created by the state. Private property was partially expropriated as wanted by the state. The individual meant nothing. The collective and the party meant everything. Its even in the name: Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterpartei Deutschlands. That the Sovjets after the war managed to make this similiarty between Hitlers and Stlains reigme forgotten, is maybe the most successful propaganda coup in the history of mankind, it allowed them to be celebrated as liberators while in fact representing the same system of polticla control and oprression as there was in the Third Reich. Be a bad guy but do not get called out for it! Brilliant. Am I the only one noticing that the methods of opression and state cruelty in both regimes where practically the same, too? They even shared the love for campos, and general antisemitism. Same needs - same solutions. Two children of one and the same spirit. And no, I am not the first one saying that, nor was von Mises. If both things are green, if both things jump and if both things squawk, if both things look alike, do alike and sound alike, I assume that both things are frogs. thats the reaosn why I do not prefer the one over the other, do not prefer Commies over Nazis or the other way around. To me they are all the same evil, and in distributing my contempt for both equally, I am absolutely unbiased. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-21-20 at 02:57 PM.