[REL] Dark Waters - Page 60

RandomSubRat · 02-22-21, 03:06 PM

Avaliable mods:
OM_Harder_Escort_L1
OM_Harder_Escort_L2
OM_Med_Env
OM_Pac_Env
OM_Stock_RAOFB_UJagd
OM_Strategic_Map_Symbols
OM_SubFlag_When_Snorkel
OM_UJagd
OM_UMark
OM_Warm_Clothes
WIP_U-Flak_Career

No activated mods

Mad Mardigan · 02-22-21, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandomSubRat

Avaliable mods:
OM_Harder_Escort_L1
OM_Harder_Escort_L2
OM_Med_Env
OM_Pac_Env
OM_Stock_RAOFB_UJagd
OM_Strategic_Map_Symbols
OM_SubFlag_When_Snorkel
OM_UJagd
OM_UMark
OM_Warm_Clothes
WIP_U-Flak_Career

No activated mods

Hmm... the only thing thus far I see.. is only needing to activate either harder escorts 1 or 2.. not both of those. same with the env mods.. 1 or the other, not both...

As for the exact order of activation.. will let others comment about that aspect...

M. M.

propbeanie · 02-22-21, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandomSubRat

Hello commanders! Once again i need your advice. It's 21 april 1941, me and my IID Uboot are stationed in Bergen (1st flotilla). After returning from the patrol i was given new conning tower and now i dont have the radio room (it's displayed above the damage control in crew screen but i can't place any crew there) and hydrophone (literally no hydrophone on upgrades screen). Additionally when i load next patrol i cannot move (i can set speed but my crew say that they "Cannot comply!") At the moment i'm totally stuck just outside Bergen waiting for a Sunderland to send me to the bottom. I'm running basic Dark Waters without any additional mods. Is there any way to fix it?

As has been mentioned countless times, the OM / Dark Waters does not do upgrades, and this does include the turms (boats and turms are basically one in the same, as far as the SH4 game is concerned). Once you get a new turm, you have to do the fancy dance and do a new career, as close to the date and location you are at, with the same boat, then copy the player info from the last Save over, so that you have all of your career stats, but without most of the other recent awards, etc... There is mention of that somewhere in the thread here, and also quite a few in the original OM thread. Someone had the "repair" down to an art form, and could do it lickety split... Myself? I always manage to crash the game with the edits. If I can find the posts, I'll edit / update this, or do a new post here...

RandomSubRat · 02-23-21, 03:35 AM

One more question. Is it possible to skip this troublesome upgrade by staying on patrol till i get next boat? If i understand correctly i should be given VIIB in june/july 1941, so its only couple of months away.Will it work if i refit and just keep hunting till july 1941?

rschilla · 02-23-21, 12:46 PM

So I see that the US Harbor glitch from OM has not been fixed - fully.

For some reason, ships in US ports are duplicated as in this example.

In OM, most of the time, the second ship was superimposed on an angle which made them easier to see but also did not automatically sink the second ship. In the instance above one torpedo gave me credit for sinking both ships which is a) nice, but b) probably not historically accurate.

It is something about the harbor. British ships in US ports have the same problem. It does not seem to matter if they are warships or merchants. But I have looked at the harbor files and I'll be damned if I can find any obvious difference between US and other ports.

Anyone else ever have this issue?

propbeanie · 02-23-21, 01:55 PM

The double-plus "spawns" like that are the nature of the beast, unfortunately. Random Generated Groups (RGG) are used, set to a certain percentage chance of "spawning", such that there is variety in the game. Docked ships are especially susceptible to this self-induced "glitch" that the stock game has also. The problem lies in the handling of the files, in that once spawned, a ship does not disappear until either sunk or "terminated" by reaching its final destination. Neither happens in most harbors, since in order to have a ship "show" in the game as "docked", one has to remove the option to "terminate" at final destination... Therefore, a ship set to spawn at a 50% rate, every 500 hours (20.8333 days) would then generate a "new" ship every 41.666 days, or roughly one every month and a half... The ships pile on top of each other, and the "collision detection" is only good for front-end collisions, so they "merge" together just fine, until a "breeze" comes along to move one or the other, which is when you'll see them "fan" out at the angles you are already familiar with. The only resolution is to do what we did with several files in FotRSU, and that is to separate the HarbourTraffic and other like files into "layers", such as seen with 41a_, 42a_, 42b_ (etc) files. There is a plan to do that for Fifi, and a few other "fixes" for him to incorporate at a later date, but it will be a while before we are able to do that. From the looks of things, the original devs did not mean for a person to give much more than a cursory glance to any given harbor, and certainly they did not intend a person to go harbor raiding, apparently...

- though, in my thoughts, if they're there, why not?... lol

rschilla · 02-23-21, 02:54 PM

One of my missions was to sail into Port of Spain harbor and sink some tankers. Those ships - and all the others that were there - were fine but that was not a US harbor.

I'll wait for the fix... not that big a deal.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

rschilla · 02-24-21, 02:10 PM

So I made a big mistake.

I decided to try moving the game to a separate folder on my D Drive and that did not work at all.

So I stripped everything out, reinstalled WOTP and Uboat Missions and then redownloaded DW6 and activated it via JSGME and - the mod is ignored.

The game opens Uboat Missions just fine but only for the Indian Ocean campaign.

LAA is activated. Read only is checked. the SH4 documents folder was deleted and re-established but even though DW6 is allegedly enabled, along with the 4 sub mods that I used before, the game simply refuses to recognize the mod.

I don't recall having to use any special launch instructions on Steam before and it worked fine.

I see the campaignGE and UPCGE files in the root folder but it goes straight to the the original intro movie instead of the DW movie.

I re downloaded the file from Fifi's original post and followed the original instructions from JSGME to unzip it to the MODS folder but still, the mod is not registering.

I'm stumped.

Is there another place to try to download the DW-6 zip file?

KaleunMarco · 02-24-21, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rschilla

So I made a big mistake.

I decided to try moving the game to a separate folder on my D Drive and that did not work at all.

So I stripped everything out, reinstalled WOTP and Uboat Missions and then redownloaded DW6 and activated it via JSGME and - the mod is ignored.

The game opens Uboat Missions just fine but only for the Indian Ocean campaign.

LAA is activated. Read only is checked. the SH4 documents folder was deleted and re-established but even though DW6 is allegedly enabled, along with the 4 sub mods that I used before, the game simply refuses to recognize the mod.

I don't recall having to use any special launch instructions on Steam before and it worked fine.

I see the campaignGE and UPCGE files in the root folder but it goes straight to the the original intro movie instead of the DW movie.

I re downloaded the file from Fifi's original post and followed the original instructions from JSGME to unzip it to the MODS folder but still, the mod is not registering.

I'm stumped.

Is there another place to try to download the DW-6 zip file?

no.
stop.
take a breath.
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your folder structure should look similar to this (below).
C:\Ubisoft\OpMonsun\MODS\OM Dark Waters V6

Please post your JSGME config: Task-Export-To Clipboard.

that post should tell us enough to answer your question.

rschilla · 02-24-21, 08:11 PM

Nothing happens when I select Clipboard. This is what shows on the text file option.

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Silent Hunters Wolves of the Pacific\JSGME\MODS]

OM_DarkWaters_V6
OM_Strategic_Map_Symbols
OM_U-Jagd
OM_UMark
OM_Stock_RAOFB_UJagd

rschilla · 02-24-21, 08:20 PM

I was able to get a screen shot of the JSGME file

rschilla · 02-24-21, 08:39 PM

Is there any significance to the fact that some of the mods are bolded and some are not?

KaleunMarco · 02-24-21, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rschilla

Nothing happens when I select Clipboard. This is what shows on the text file option.

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Silent Hunters Wolves of the Pacific\JSGME\MODS]

OM_DarkWaters_V6
OM_Strategic_Map_Symbols
OM_U-Jagd
OM_UMark
OM_Stock_RAOFB_UJagd

this is exactly what is needed.

what is in the last mod: Stock_RAOFB_Ujagd?

KaleunMarco · 02-24-21, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rschilla

Is there any significance to the fact that some of the mods are bolded and some are not?

yes. i believe it shows which mods have files in previously-applied mods.

rschilla · 02-24-21, 09:58 PM

I'm not sure what it does... but I did have these activated before when it was working.

This is what it says when you put the cursor over it.

02-23-21, 01:55 PM	#891
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	The double-plus "spawns" like that are the nature of the beast, unfortunately. Random Generated Groups (RGG) are used, set to a certain percentage chance of "spawning", such that there is variety in the game. Docked ships are especially susceptible to this self-induced "glitch" that the stock game has also. The problem lies in the handling of the files, in that once spawned, a ship does not disappear until either sunk or "terminated" by reaching its final destination. Neither happens in most harbors, since in order to have a ship "show" in the game as "docked", one has to remove the option to "terminate" at final destination... Therefore, a ship set to spawn at a 50% rate, every 500 hours (20.8333 days) would then generate a "new" ship every 41.666 days, or roughly one every month and a half... The ships pile on top of each other, and the "collision detection" is only good for front-end collisions, so they "merge" together just fine, until a "breeze" comes along to move one or the other, which is when you'll see them "fan" out at the angles you are already familiar with. The only resolution is to do what we did with several files in FotRSU, and that is to separate the HarbourTraffic and other like files into "layers", such as seen with 41a_, 42a_, 42b_ (etc) files. There is a plan to do that for Fifi, and a few other "fixes" for him to incorporate at a later date, but it will be a while before we are able to do that. From the looks of things, the original devs did not mean for a person to give much more than a cursory glance to any given harbor, and certainly they did not intend a person to go harbor raiding, apparently... - though, in my thoughts, if they're there, why not?... lol __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

02-22-21, 03:06 PM	#886
RandomSubRat Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 7 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Avaliable mods: OM_Harder_Escort_L1 OM_Harder_Escort_L2 OM_Med_Env OM_Pac_Env OM_Stock_RAOFB_UJagd OM_Strategic_Map_Symbols OM_SubFlag_When_Snorkel OM_UJagd OM_UMark OM_Warm_Clothes WIP_U-Flak_Career No activated mods

02-23-21, 03:35 AM	#889
RandomSubRat Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 7 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	One more question. Is it possible to skip this troublesome upgrade by staying on patrol till i get next boat? If i understand correctly i should be given VIIB in june/july 1941, so its only couple of months away.Will it work if i refit and just keep hunting till july 1941?

02-23-21, 12:46 PM	#890
rschilla Seaman Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 36 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	So I see that the US Harbor glitch from OM has not been fixed - fully. For some reason, ships in US ports are duplicated as in this example. In OM, most of the time, the second ship was superimposed on an angle which made them easier to see but also did not automatically sink the second ship. In the instance above one torpedo gave me credit for sinking both ships which is a) nice, but b) probably not historically accurate. It is something about the harbor. British ships in US ports have the same problem. It does not seem to matter if they are warships or merchants. But I have looked at the harbor files and I'll be damned if I can find any obvious difference between US and other ports. Anyone else ever have this issue?

02-23-21, 02:54 PM	#892
rschilla Seaman Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 36 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	One of my missions was to sail into Port of Spain harbor and sink some tankers. Those ships - and all the others that were there - were fine but that was not a US harbor. I'll wait for the fix... not that big a deal. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

02-24-21, 02:10 PM	#893
rschilla Seaman Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 36 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	So I made a big mistake. I decided to try moving the game to a separate folder on my D Drive and that did not work at all. So I stripped everything out, reinstalled WOTP and Uboat Missions and then redownloaded DW6 and activated it via JSGME and - the mod is ignored. The game opens Uboat Missions just fine but only for the Indian Ocean campaign. LAA is activated. Read only is checked. the SH4 documents folder was deleted and re-established but even though DW6 is allegedly enabled, along with the 4 sub mods that I used before, the game simply refuses to recognize the mod. I don't recall having to use any special launch instructions on Steam before and it worked fine. I see the campaignGE and UPCGE files in the root folder but it goes straight to the the original intro movie instead of the DW movie. I re downloaded the file from Fifi's original post and followed the original instructions from JSGME to unzip it to the MODS folder but still, the mod is not registering. I'm stumped. Is there another place to try to download the DW-6 zip file?

02-24-21, 08:11 PM	#895
rschilla Seaman Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 36 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Nothing happens when I select Clipboard. This is what shows on the text file option. Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157 [C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Silent Hunters Wolves of the Pacific\JSGME\MODS] OM_DarkWaters_V6 OM_Strategic_Map_Symbols OM_U-Jagd OM_UMark OM_Stock_RAOFB_UJagd

02-24-21, 08:20 PM	#896
rschilla Seaman Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 36 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I was able to get a screen shot of the JSGME file

02-24-21, 08:39 PM	#897
rschilla Seaman Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 36 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Is there any significance to the fact that some of the mods are bolded and some are not?

02-24-21, 09:58 PM	#900
rschilla Seaman Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 36 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I'm not sure what it does... but I did have these activated before when it was working. This is what it says when you put the cursor over it.