Military coup in Turkey

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Think of what misery the world would have been saved form if the military would have simply killed Hitler - a democratically elected leader.

Depends on who replaced him and when it happened, the world might well have been worse off if someone more competant had replaced Hitler.

[Skybird]

German Tornados are at Incirlik, plus 240 Bundeswehr personnel.

A German presence that Erdoghan banned German members of parliament from visiting, in retaliation for Germany calling the Armenia genocide a genocide.

I would have given command to the commander there that he should let the Tornados equip with LR tanks and let them scramble to RTB in Germany, not to come back, no matter what the Turkisdh controllers say, and then stage a big diplomatic crisis over the German hostages that Erdoghan sure as hell would have taken without calling it like that. Sooner or later they would have gotten free and left Turkey. The German contribution is an alibi anyway, since the Tornado'S intel and recce data takes far too long for processing as if they would be of any decisive value for running combat operations, they are not well imntegrated into the data exchange network of allied forces fighting the IS. Its the German way to claim "we are with you", without risking anything and not needing to get our hands dirty.

Actionism and symbolism. Not worth one penny.

[Oberon]

[Diopos]

@ Skybird and other posters

At the moment, in Turkey, it sounds like democracy is all about the right to choose the coup you want to support ...



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[Reece]

That's one way of looking at it!!

[em2nought]

Trial run is out of the way for the fake coup that Barry will stage if it looks like the Donald is gonna win. Would really help to explain things.

Thankfully the British weren't directly involved, I'm getting sick of seeing dead children in the streets.

[Onkel Neal]

What I find sadly ironic is that a "democratically elected" dictator appealed to the people to stand up for him and they responded with support.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

What I find sadly ironic is that a "democratically elected" dictator appealed to the people to stand up for him and they responded with support.

Hey, we've done the same....in the 1930 - 40ies....see how much good that did us.


Well, it's obvious that they want to be sheep under a dictator who does the thinking for them so let them have him. If they want to throw away their freedom let them. They are adults and they have chosen. It's not our business to protect them from themselves especially since they don't want to be protected and enjoy being run by a dictator.

[Onkel Neal]

True, but to be fair, that was nearly 100 years ago, and the German people have been a model of reason since.

The people of today have only to look back at what happens to countries who allow a small party of radicals to take away their rights. There's no excuse for this. And it always ends the same, whether it's Hitler, the Bolsheviks, Putin, any one leader or party. When people give away their political power they can no longer control their destiny.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

True, but to be fair, that was nearly 100 years ago, and the German people have been a model of reason since.

Eh...what...?

Just because they do not swing clubs at other countries anymore, they already are "reasonable"?

No, they aren't, trust me. I need to bear them every day. Illusions grow high into the sky over here.

[Oberon]

Sounds like its Armenia's turn today....

EDIT: Turns out it's just a politically motivated hostage situation rather than a full scale coup.

[Betonov]

Let's face it, democracy is dead in Turkey

Even if the coup succeded and the Army held up the deal Ataturk gave them, the AKP would be voted back in and another round of theocratisation would start

And the Bosnians on FB are celebrating it like the world was saved.
Don't those mountain dwelling muslim morons understand that if Bosnia goes the way of Turkey another mess wil start in the Balkans becasue you don't turn full islamic with Croatia AND Serbia surround you and those people kiss a cross before the go to the toillet.

[Sung]

In einigen Jahren wird man von den Helden vom 15.Juli sprechen. Der letzte Versuch unblutig eine islamische Diktatur in der Türkei zu verhindern. Alle sind wie besoffen von ihrem Demokratischen Sieg. Erdogan wird nie mehr demokratisch das Feld räumen. Im Gegenteil jetzt geht es erst richtig los mit der Gewaltherrschaft. Die Welt ist ein Ort von Idioten...

Maybe someone can translate it to english. True words!

[Schroeder]

Something like this:

Originally Posted by Sung

"Maybe in a few years from now we will talk about the heroes of July 15th. The last attempt to stop an Islamic dictatorship in Turkey without bloodshed. All are like drunk from their democratic victory. Erdogan now will never go away in a democratic manner. Just the opposite. Now the reign of violence will really take off. The world is a place full of idiots."