Should assault rifles be banned in the US?

[Cybermat47]

^^^^^
Poor guy.

[Lord_magerius]

We're getting on to the real issue here now which most people have only seemed to gloss over. Gun control laws are just the easiest thing to blame for everybody, it also gives both sides of the fence another reason to spit fire at each other over a national tragedy. When it comes to mental health issues it's a topic that nobody is really willing to discuss, so when something like this happens, it's far easier to blame the secondary or even tertiary cause.

The main reason for this happening is that society let this individual down, it's a bitter pill that nobody is wanting to swallow. Gun control laws, no gun control laws, free lego with every handgun purchased, it doesn't matter. This was a deeply disturbed person and it would have happened either way.

Edit: In no way am I defending the abhorrent actions of this individual, or even saying that we should be feeling sorry for him. I'm just highlighting the fact that the media has plastered over the main issues to pursue the "Guns, yes or no?" topic once again.

[Cybermat47]

^^^^^^^^^^

You make a good point. If Lanza didn't have access to the guns, he might have used a knife. Not as many people would have died, but they would have died nonetheless.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

^^^^^^^^^^

You make a good point. If Lanza didn't have access to the guns, he might have used a knife. Not as many people would have died, but they would have died nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendermonde_nursery_attack

recall this?

The bushmaster .223 was not designed by its creators with the intent that it be fired at children, no more than the butcher knife in this situation was designed for the purpose of cutting them to pieces.

crazy people will always be crazy people and can use nearly anything to kill someone.

Heck, i can turn a rolled up magazine into a lethal weapon, and kill someone in a matter of minutes with it. (no... seriously)

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Heck, i can turn a rolled up magazine into a lethal weapon, and kill someone in a matter of minutes with it. (no... seriously)

Minutes?
You need to practice abit.
It should only take seconds if applied properly.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by privateer

Minutes?
You need to practice abit.
It should only take seconds if applied properly.

im out of practice

besides i was factoring in their bleeding to death internally

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

im out of practice

besides i was factoring in their bleeding to death internally

Ah Yes.
The old watch them suffer approach.

[Lord_magerius]

You guys scare me sometimes

[yubba]

Ted Kennedys car killed more people than mine,, though my rifle looks like an ak it is used for defence of my home it is a defencive armorment. Any weapon used to attack someone can be constrewed as an assult weapon,,,So what happen at Ft Hood ???? Will the war on guns be like the war on drugs ?????? Why doesn't this happen more in Isreal ????

[Cybermat47]

^^^^^^

Sorry, what!?

[Neptunus Rex]

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

"A well regulated Militia" - This refers to all able persons able to bear and fire arms.

"being necessary to the security of a free State" - Secure from a Federal Government from taking these rights away.

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms" = Clearly defines AS A RIGHT to the people to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms.

"shall not be infringed" - Denies any authority to the Federal Government (AND CONGRESS) from enacting any law (or definition) restricting the people from exercising their 2nd amendment rights. The choice and use of the words "shall not" were deliberate and unambiguous.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Neptunus Rex

Amendment II
"A well regulated Militia" - This refers to all able persons able to bear and fire arms.

Militia

(Mi-li-tia)

Noun

Definition: A military force that is raised from the civilian population in an emergency to supplement a regular army



Would you say that the shooter was supplementing the regular army in an emergency?

[August]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

^^^^^^

Sorry, what!?

Let me translate:

First a little contextual background:

In 1969 Liberal lion Democrat Senator Edward M Kennedy, now deceased, got drunk and drove off a bridge into a tidal channel, leaving a young secretary named Mary Jo Kopechne, to drown in the car. Apparently she survived for up to two hours on an air bubble trapped in the back window.

Rather than run just a few yards up the road to a nearby house for help he went home and didn't report the accident for nine hours. He avoided getting in any trouble because of his family's name. Kennedy's can do no wrong in this state.

Yubba is attempting to draw a comparison between Dead Teds DWI body count to that of his cheap semi-auto assault weapon he keeps for self defense. Apparently his must be less than "1". (insert shrug smiley)

He then goes on to say that any object can be used as a weapon but only mentions a gun crime (see Ft. Hoot shootings) as an example. (insert another shrug smiley)

He then wonders if the war on guns will be as successful as the war on drugs and why isn't the availability of weapons causing Israelis to start shooting up their own schools.

Of course these last two are the closest thing he comes to having a point. I find it somewhat ironic that the government that gave guns to the Mexican drug cartels is now going to try and take them away from us.

It's also interesting that countries awash in Assault weapons like Israel and Switzerland do not have the same problem that we do.

[Cybermat47]

^^^^^^^
Thank you.

[August]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Militia

(Mi-li-tia)

Noun

Definition: A military force that is raised from the civilian population in an emergency to supplement a regular army



Would you say that the shooter was supplementing the regular army in an emergency?

He did not legally possess the weapons so no, and Militias are by definition self equipped. Raising an army of unarmed men is pretty much useless exercise.

Besides "shall not infringe on the right of the people" is far more unambiguous than Separation of Church and state which relies on an after the fact explanation by only some of it's authors.