Herman Cain...driving the left crazy - Page 6

Tchocky · 10-13-11, 01:03 PM

I doubt Cain is a real contender, he doesn't seem to have a real political organisation in any of the early primary states. That combined with his taking time out for a book tour, makes me think he's planning a Huckabee run - i.e. forming an exploratory committee for a Fox show.

Osmium Steele · 10-13-11, 01:56 PM

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Planned Parenthood (a Republican idea I may add)

WHAT?!? Source please?

Margaret Sanger, and avowed socialist and member of the Socialist Party founded the American Birth Control League in 1921, which became Planned Parenthood.

She was about as far left as you can get politically.

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Margaret Sanger's experiences with slum mothers who begged for information about how to avoid more pregnancies transformed her into a social radical. She joined the Socialist Party, a political party that believes the government should own and distribute all goods, began attending radical rallies, and read everything she could about birth control practices. She became convinced that oversized families were the basic cause of poverty. In 1913 she began publishing a monthly newspaper, the Woman Rebel, in which she passionately urged family limitation and first used the term "birth control." After only six issues, she was arrested and charged with distributing "obscene" literature through the mails. She fled to Europe, where she continued her birth control studies, visiting clinics and talking with medical researchers.

SOURCE

Osmium Steele · 10-13-11, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I doubt Cain is a real contender,

Nobody considered John McCain a real contender this far out from the election.

Rudy Gulliani and Fred Thompson were leading all polls in October 2007.

Long way to go yet.

August · 10-13-11, 02:06 PM

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Nobody considered John McCain a real contender this far out from the election.

Yep. Nobody figured Barack Obama to be a real contender at this point either.

Tchocky · 10-13-11, 02:09 PM

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Nobody considered John McCain a real contender this far out from the election.

McCain had plenty of fundraising and campaign trouble at this stage, true. But he also had electoral experience and past primary front-runner status, which made his resurgence more explicable.

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Rudy Gulliani and Fred Thompson were leading all polls in October 2007.

Rudy had media presence and name recognition, but even with that his gamble to skip the early primary states cost him a chance at the nomination. Cain has got very little apart from current attention as the "Not-Romney". It will pass and he won't be the nominee. Nothing is certain, but I wouldn't start buying up Cain futures on Intrade.

Cain could do very well in a couple of caucus states, but I doubt he'll be able to mount a visible operation in the more hotly-contended primary states, especially when it looks like they'll be earlier than normal. Following Huckabee's flight path, I think.

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Long way to go yet.

Indeed.

August - You've got a point there, but I think that from the beginning the Obama campaign was organised for a long primary battle, and that was evident all along, especially through the fundraising network. I don't see any of that with Cain at the moment. Things will change.

August · 10-13-11, 02:18 PM

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August - You've got a point there, but I think that from the beginning the Obama campaign was organised for a long primary battle, and that was evident all along, especially through the fundraising network. I don't see any of that with Cain at the moment. Things will change.

Yeah he has to break away from the Mittster. Once he's seen as something more than a flash in the pan fundraising will get easier.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 02:36 PM

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Why would you want to limit the types or number of birth control options if the goal is to prevent unwanted pregnancy? It has nothing to do with making it convenient to have sex or not - it's not your business or mine to pass a moral judgement on someone's sexual behavior.

I did not say I wanted to limit the types or number of birth control options. I stated you can get a condom with a lollipop at your local schools nurses office. FREE. I did not say I was passing judgement on anyone's behavior. Sexual or otherwise. Everyone can screw like rabbits or a rabbit. What you do behind closed doors is not my business. However, there are some sexual acts that for lack of a better word defy normal. That is a entire other thread. The idea of PPH is to prevent unwanted pregnancy. If PPH is performing that many abortions then perhaps their strategy needs to be addressed. It does not look like it is working. Unless abortion is considered a form of birth control. You tell me.

But again, Cain has his opinion. Right or wrong in the public's eye it is just an opinion. He is not stumping to overturn Roe v. Wade.

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It does become our business when unwanted pregnancies force women onto the WIC rolls

Really? Find me the dead beat dad shirking his responsibility. It takes two to tango. Who is really forcing the women into the WIC rolls? This is an entire poorly managed system as well. Child welfare and support by the donor...there is none. But yes, it is now our business. Just like the new Obamacare..oh never mind.

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As a taxpayer, would you rather pay a couple bucks now for birth control pills, or would you rather pay 18 years of WIC benefits, plus all of the other societal costs of children being raised by mothers who don't want them? (crime, poverty, etc etc) Planned Parenthood (a Republican idea I may add) is an investment that makes sense if you consider yourself any sort of fiscal conservative.

No, I would rather find the father and have him pay for the support. But this is left to the state. At any rate, I do not have a issue with PPH. Cain does over the abortion issue. He did not say he wanted to defund them that I'm aware of.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I doubt Cain is a real contender, he doesn't seem to have a real political organisation in any of the early primary states. That combined with his taking time out for a book tour, makes me think he's planning a Huckabee run - i.e. forming an exploratory committee for a Fox show.

Book tour is over. He stated today he is getting more staff. BTW, the books title, "This is Herman Cain. My Road to the Presidency". Not a bad way to campaign and make some dollars for the campaign.

August · 10-13-11, 03:02 PM

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Book tour is over. He stated today he is getting more staff. BTW, the books title, "This is Herman Cain. My Road to the Presidency". Not a bad way to campaign and make some dollars for the campaign.

I was thinking the same thing. A book is a great way to get ones message out in longer chunks than the sound bite the media usually cuts it down to...

antikristuseke · 10-13-11, 03:21 PM

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I was thinking the same thing. A book is a great way to get ones message out in longer chunks than the sound bite the media usually cuts it down to...

While I agree with you in principle, how likely do you think it is that enough people will read the book for it to make any difference in voting results?

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 03:24 PM

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While I agree with you in principle, how likely do you think it is that enough people will read the book for it to make any difference in voting results?

I don't think he was peddling the book for a vote. It was a book tour as stated. Simply peddling a book and getting a free campaign message out as a benefit. Sounds like a good business decision to me.

MothBalls · 10-13-11, 04:23 PM

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I don't think he was peddling the book for a vote. It was a book tour as stated. Simply peddling a book and getting a free campaign message out as a benefit. Sounds like a good business decision to me.

Sounds to me more like "if you have something intelligent to say, people will listen". The more I listen to him, the more he makes sense.

The question I would ask him is; Why run for office? With his skill set and resume, he could make easily more money. Everyone has a motive, I'd like to know what his is.

August · 10-13-11, 04:54 PM

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Sounds to me more like "if you have something intelligent to say, people will listen". The more I listen to him, the more he makes sense.

The question I would ask him is; Why run for office? With his skill set and resume, he could make easily more money. Everyone has a motive, I'd like to know what his is.

Money isn't everything.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MothBalls

Sounds to me more like "if you have something intelligent to say, people will listen". The more I listen to him, the more he makes sense.

The question I would ask him is; Why run for office? With his skill set and resume, he could make easily more money. Everyone has a motive, I'd like to know what his is.

He said he is goal oriented and liked a challenge. And, yes, money to some looks different than money to others.

Platapus · 10-13-11, 06:14 PM

Way way too early to tell these things. Much can and probably will change in the next year.

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Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I doubt Cain is a real contender, he doesn't seem to have a real political organisation in any of the early primary states. That combined with his taking time out for a book tour, makes me think he's planning a Huckabee run - i.e. forming an exploratory committee for a Fox show. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,439 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Way way too early to tell these things. Much can and probably will change in the next year. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.