Herman Cain...driving the left crazy - Page 5

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 10:55 AM

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Maybe they're the largest abortion provider by numbers because they're a larger organization than the abortion clinic that only has one office? That's a useless and misleading statistic.

Does not matter....the facts are 289750 abortions are performed. That simple.

If this was a third world country Clooney would say this is genocide. Here in the US it is called "choice."

August · 10-13-11, 10:56 AM

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I don't. She was squashed by her own people. Again, they wanted BO in the WH. IMO.

And again: Why was she squashed?

IMO, because she couldn't win, that's why.

mookiemookie · 10-13-11, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Mookie...you can get condoms at school!!!! My 13 year old daughter can get them. We can take the can't afford it off the table.

Can she get birth control pills at school for free as well? IUDs? Come on now, let's be honest. The "get rid of Planned Parenthood" meme is a purely moral play from the religious right about enforcing abstinence. If you remove one of the largest sources of low cost birth control in this country, you're going to see the number of unplanned pregnancies and abortions skyrocket. That makes absolutely no sense if your goal is to prevent abortions.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Does not matter....the facts are 289750 abortions are performed. That simple.

If this was a third world country Clooney would say this is genocide. Here in the US it is called "choice."

Regardless of your feelings on abortion, Planned Parenthood prevents more pregnancies than they terminate, by far.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by August

And again: Why was she squashed?

Because BO was groomed years before. First black POTUS! Articulate and clean like Biden stated. Will swing the black vote easily. Win the media over which they did with shivers up their legs. It was well planned. Hillary was not in the plan. She would not be a puppet with Bill standing behind her. This is how I see it. Hillary would have beat McCain easily IMO.

soopaman2 · 10-13-11, 11:05 AM

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Mookie held that title long before you came along. Credit where credit is due. And CCIP is a true communist, and makes you look like you're hardcore right.

Fair enough. , at least I know I won't be horsewhipped the hardest for wanting people to eat. (As long as they aren't driving a nicer car then me to the grocery store) God bless welfare queens with Benzes, and new cars while I drive an 8 year old F150

mookiemookie · 10-13-11, 11:07 AM

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Fair enough. , at least I know I won't be horsewhipped the hardest for wanting people to eat. (As long as they aren't driving a nicer car then me to the grocery store)

Hah. You just have to learn how to horsewhip back. But fairly, rationally, logically, and without getting into name calling.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Can she get birth control pills at school for free as well? IUDs? Come on now, let's be honest. The "get rid of Planned Parenthood" meme is a purely moral play from the religious right about enforcing abstinence. If you remove one of the largest sources of low cost birth control in this country, you're going to see the number of unplanned pregnancies and abortions skyrocket. That makes absolutely no sense if your goal is to prevent abortions.

Regardless of your feelings on abortion, Planned Parenthood prevents more pregnancies than they terminate, by far.

Pills, IUD, come on Mookie, what else do we need to provide? Glad we can make it all convenient to throw down in the back seat without having to stop to roll out a rubber.

Cut me a break. Simple fact remains a condom can be had just about anywhere free of charge. Did Cain say his goal was to prevent abortions? No, he does not agree with the procedure. He stated he does not like the operation of PPH. But, he will state it like he has in interviews he has had of late . We agree to disagree now lets talk about the economy.

Tchocky · 10-13-11, 11:08 AM

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Do you think that Cain is possibly right about Planned Parenthood? Can we simply dismiss his statement?

No, and yes. Genocide has a rigorous and specific definition.

August · 10-13-11, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Because BO was groomed years before. First black POTUS! Articulate and clean like Biden stated. Will swing the black vote easily. Win the media over which they did with shivers up their legs. It was well planned. Hillary was not in the plan. She would not be a puppet with Bill standing behind her. This is how I see it. Hillary would have beat McCain easily IMO.

Nice theory but it doesn't account for the fact that primary winners are chosen by the party members in 50 different state contests.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 11:14 AM

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Nice theory but it doesn't account for the fact that primary winners are chosen by the party members in 50 different state contests.

And there is no back room dealings either.

August · 10-13-11, 11:17 AM

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And there is no back room dealings either.

All kinds of back room dealings i'm sure but you'll have to show me where the primary results were ignored in favor of Obama before i'll believe it.

AVGWarhawk · 10-13-11, 11:21 AM

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All kinds of back room dealings i'm sure but you'll have to show me where the primary results were ignored in favor of Obama before i'll believe it.

I can not and as you stated, a theory, however in the end, the entire campaign was cleverly orchestrated IMO. We can look at this run for the repubs and see that "Romney is their guy" attitude. This drives the media, opinions and voting.

But, I understand your position. Obama looked to be the sure thing. Hillary less of a chance to win.

mookiemookie · 10-13-11, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Pills, IUD, come on Mookie, what else do we need to provide? Glad we can make it all convenient to throw down in the back seat without having to stop to roll out a rubber.

Cut me a break. Simple fact remains a condom can be had just about anywhere free of charge.

Why would you want to limit the types or number of birth control options if the goal is to prevent unwanted pregnancy? It has nothing to do with making it convenient to have sex or not - it's not your business or mine to pass a moral judgement on someone's sexual behavior. It does become our business when unwanted pregnancies force women onto the WIC rolls, or if you're an anti-abortion advocate, as Hermann Cain is, into the abortion clinic. Defunding Planned Parenthood is about as stupid an idea as you can get, unless your goal is to increase the number of unwanted pregnancies in America.

As a taxpayer, would you rather pay a couple bucks now for birth control pills, or would you rather pay 18 years of WIC benefits, plus all of the other societal costs of children being raised by mothers who don't want them? (crime, poverty, etc etc) Planned Parenthood (a Republican idea I may add) is an investment that makes sense if you consider yourself any sort of fiscal conservative.

antikristuseke · 10-13-11, 01:00 PM

Mookie, politics is not about sense or reason, it is about geting votes, appealing to emotion works better.

Sailor Steve · 10-13-11, 01:03 PM

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while I drive an 8 year old F150

Cool truck! My last car was a 1996 Escort wagon, which I lost to an accident in 2005. I haven't owned a vehicle since.

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antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Mookie, politics is not about sense or reason, it is about geting votes, appealing to emotion works better.