Republicans Take Over House Ready to Spar With Obama

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by August

Actually I think what Aramike was saying: "independents breaking toward fiscal policy", is a good thing. Our fiscal policy has been too long slave to ideological whims.

Precisely.

...and GO PACKERS!!!

[Takeda Shingen]

Go birds!

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Its sad that politics is the way it is now. Im a little to young to remember much before bush, but I think 2000-2008 really polarized this nation, no matter who was right or wrong.

It got really bad with Clinton. The GOP went nuts over Hillary. Had we actually started working on healthcare then we may have come up with a workable plan, but the GOP destroyed that totally and you never heard them mention it again. Clinton took the middle road midterm and being a Dem he did about as good as a job as possible, least we had a surplus. The GOP went nuts to destroy him including the Monica crap. Like we cared he got a BJ, 80% of past presidents screwed around.

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Like we cared he got a BJ

Some Democrats keep saying that but repeatedly telling a falsehood don't make it true. It never was about a BJ, it was about lying under oath. It was about going on TV and self righteously shaking his finger in the face of the American people to perpetuate that lie even as it became evident that he was lying, rather than manning up and telling the truth like the President of the United States should.

Now you can continue to defend that if you want but all it really does is continue to give your political enemies a moral stick with which to beat you with. I'm sure they appreciate it.

[Sailor Steve]

On the other hand, for the Republicans it was never about lying under oath; it was about getting rid of Clinton. Nothing more than a witchhunt.

Same as the Democrats and Ollie North. That one was about getting rid of Reagan.

American politics at their finest.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

On the other hand, for the Republicans it was never about lying under oath; it was about getting rid of Clinton. Nothing more than a witchhunt.

Most definitely. That's why I say that had Clinton been honest it would have taken away their justification for conducting that witch hunt. The electorate will usually forgive a leaders personal transgressions, look at Marion Barry for example, but they hate to be lied to.

Of course we're forgetting that Clinton only found himself in the position to commit perjury in the first place because he was a sexual predator given to making inappropriate advances toward women.

Way to take your eyes off the ball Bill!

[gimpy117]

they just wanted to screw him over august.

Its funny how, when a president lies about a personal question like "did you get head from Monica" and one party freaks.

but later, one illegally wire taps, and lies about a premise for war, and that party behind him is waving the flag.

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

they just wanted to screw him over august.

Of course they did. But that is missing the point now isn't it? Clinton's perjury and finger shaking really only gave his enemies the ammunition they needed. Had he come clean he might have lost the Paula Jones suit but would have come off as an honest man and the Democrats wouldn't have come off as elitists and hypocrites willing to ignore their own ideals when it suits them.