Republicans Take Over House Ready to Spar With Obama - Page 5

Takeda Shingen · 01-06-11, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Lets give them a chance.I believe we will see a game change in Congress the next two years, esp after 2012 when GOP will most likely take Congress and possibly the WH.I could be wrong but at the very least take comfort in the fact that Obama no longer has a rubber stamp and/or blank check.

That may be a bit too forward-thinking. We'll have to see if Team R can hold it's coalition together first. The big test will be healthcare reform. If they are going to get the repeal, they are going to have to play ball with moderate elements of Team D, as they don't have the votes to do it by themselves. This will likely mean a split from ideological purity, which is not going to sit well with certain elements. If Boehner can keep his party together in the midst of this, then I'd say that Team R will finally be out of the woods. If not, I'd say that 2012 will be another rebuilding cycle.

Gerald · 01-06-11, 08:22 PM

With regard to healthcare reform, they will back off, if they now want to be with and play with the big elephants

gimpy117 · 01-06-11, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Those bailouts were wrong. The Democratic Party had the opportunity to stand on principle and stop them. They did no such thing.

Are the banks to be like General Motors? They gave the money back, but are still majority-owned by the government. That's the problem with government bailouts; once given, the government never relinquishes conrtol. And since the government generates no revenue, it makes you, and I and every other American now responsible for a failed company. Given the track record of the banks, I do not want that responsibility either.

The problem is, there is one true bipartisan thing in washington, being in the pocket of big business especially the banks. So i am not suprised the Dems did nothing. Especially when they were being told the Apocalypse was going to start without a bailout. The only reason GM is still under government control is because they haven't sent enough money, booze, and "escorts" to congress yet.

Ducimus · 01-06-11, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

The only reason GM is still under government control is because they haven't sent enough money, booze, and "escorts" to congress yet.

Aramike · 01-07-11, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

That may be a bit too forward-thinking. We'll have to see if Team R can hold it's coalition together first. The big test will be healthcare reform. If they are going to get the repeal, they are going to have to play ball with moderate elements of Team D, as they don't have the votes to do it by themselves. This will likely mean a split from ideological purity, which is not going to sit well with certain elements. If Boehner can keep his party together in the midst of this, then I'd say that Team R will finally be out of the woods. If not, I'd say that 2012 will be another rebuilding cycle.

That is one helluva point, brother, but that's also where I differ from your conclusion regarding ideological purity.

"Ideological purity" has taken on a different meaning in this election cycle. Fiscal conservatism is all the rage - social conservatism isn't even chic. Team R has a great chance at success merely from the fact that Team D is unable to own up to spending - the best they can muster is suggesting that the Republicans have spent money on wars, the idea being that if THEY can spend, WE can spend. That doesn't seem to be sitting well right now.

R's will always vote R, D's will always vote D, but independents are key. And, at this point, it seems as though independents are breaking towards fiscal policy in a manner never seen before.

Takeda Shingen · 01-07-11, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

That is one helluva point, brother, but that's also where I differ from your conclusion regarding ideological purity.

"Ideological purity" has taken on a different meaning in this election cycle. Fiscal conservatism is all the rage - social conservatism isn't even chic. Team R has a great chance at success merely from the fact that Team D is unable to own up to spending - the best they can muster is suggesting that the Republicans have spent money on wars, the idea being that if THEY can spend, WE can spend. That doesn't seem to be sitting well right now.

R's will always vote R, D's will always vote D, but independents are key. And, at this point, it seems as though independents are breaking towards fiscal policy in a manner never seen before.

You might be right about the lack of social issues serving as a further unifier. In any case, I don't think that we'll have to wait very long to see what happens; they seem ready to move right now.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-07-11, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

R's will always vote R, D's will always vote D, but independents are key. And, at this point, it seems as though independents are breaking towards fiscal policy in a manner never seen before.

That is the sad thing, too bad people would not vote for who they think would do the best job, regardless of their stripe.

There is too much at stake. Yes I am from Canada, but things are really not that much different here.

Armistead · 01-07-11, 01:57 PM

Anyone that gives hook, line and sinker to either party are clueless. That's what blows my mind, is so many just fall totally for party lines. It's ashame we can't have an and Ind. party, maybe more would run on this platform. Be nice to see someone control congress beside the life long crooks.

The goal of the Dems and GOP is to destroy each other, doesn't matter if one side has a good plan, the other will seek to undermine it. You can't let the other side succeed, because that would win them elections, so you destroy them at all cost.

Anyone looking at the facts the GOP approves just as much spending as the Dems, just different things and they love pork as much as anyone. I think the only difference between the two parties is the Dems support socialism towards humanity, the GOP towards corporations, both have ruined our nation. The GOP still sells trickle down, make rich people richer and it will spill down and build a middle class. The only thing it's created is an elite class of a few percent controlling 80% of our nations wealth...and even now they keep selling voodoo economics, never work in a global economy where the rich deal in real assets, not a worthless dollar.

I'm to the point I would vote for Nader again. Least he calls it for what it is.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-07-11, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

The goal of the Dems and GOP is to destroy each other, doesn't matter if one side has a good plan, the other will seek to undermine it. You can't let the other side succeed, because that would win them elections, so you destroy them at all cost.

Growler · 01-07-11, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Concur.

gimpy117 · 01-07-11, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

The goal of the Dems and GOP is to destroy each other, doesn't matter if one side has a good plan, the other will seek to undermine it. You can't let the other side succeed, because that would win them elections, so you destroy them at all cost.

Its sad that politics is the way it is now. Im a little to young to remember much before bush, but I think 2000-2008 really polarized this nation, no matter who was right or wrong.

August · 01-07-11, 08:08 PM

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That is the sad thing, too bad people would not vote for who they think would do the best job, regardless of their stripe.

Actually I think what Aramike was saying: "independents breaking toward fiscal policy", is a good thing. Our fiscal policy has been too long slave to ideological whims.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-07-11, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Actually I think what Aramike was saying: "independents breaking toward fiscal policy", is a good thing. Our fiscal policy has been too long slave to ideological whims.

Thanks for pointing that part out August. I got caught up in the Rep. vs. Dem. thing

Here in Canada it is the Liberal Party vs. Conservative Party, with a little New Democratic Party thrown in for good measure.

I should have known there was more to that post. He is after all a Packer's Fan

August · 01-07-11, 08:23 PM

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I should have known there was more to that post. He is after all a Packer's Fan

I'll try not to hold that personally against you guys. You'll have enough problems dealing with the crushing despair you'll experience on that long bus ride home from Philadelphia!

ReallyDedPoet · 01-07-11, 08:36 PM

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I'll try not to hold that personally against you guys. You'll have enough problems dealing with the crushing despair you'll experience on that long bus ride home from Philadelphia!

Tough game for sure, we need to get to Vick early and often

I like the Packer's Defense in this one.

01-06-11, 08:22 PM	#62
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	With regard to healthcare reform, they will back off, if they now want to be with and play with the big elephants __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Anyone that gives hook, line and sinker to either party are clueless. That's what blows my mind, is so many just fall totally for party lines. It's ashame we can't have an and Ind. party, maybe more would run on this platform. Be nice to see someone control congress beside the life long crooks. The goal of the Dems and GOP is to destroy each other, doesn't matter if one side has a good plan, the other will seek to undermine it. You can't let the other side succeed, because that would win them elections, so you destroy them at all cost. Anyone looking at the facts the GOP approves just as much spending as the Dems, just different things and they love pork as much as anyone. I think the only difference between the two parties is the Dems support socialism towards humanity, the GOP towards corporations, both have ruined our nation. The GOP still sells trickle down, make rich people richer and it will spill down and build a middle class. The only thing it's created is an elite class of a few percent controlling 80% of our nations wealth...and even now they keep selling voodoo economics, never work in a global economy where the rich deal in real assets, not a worthless dollar. I'm to the point I would vote for Nader again. Least he calls it for what it is.