OFFICIAL: Not allowed to resell the Game!

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by Uber Gruber

But it is a valid point, there is indeed a risk that UBI won't make any more sub sims if we hurt their revenues.

i respectfully disagree...

We do not HURT their revenues.
We (the non-buyers) are not doing anything Bad.
The Non buyers are NOT the guilty ones.
We the Non buyers are trying to spread the word about this crazyness.
(wasting our time analyzing and discussing the OSP/DRM scheme)

If the News of "them going Bonkers with this online sheme" is putting their company out of business, the it is not US that are guilty.
It is themselves.

The Customer is the KING, not the Evildoer.

They are running out of fuel, and are in the Middle of the Atlantic.
And they are not going to Milk-cow Me!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Even if sales are dismal, if the game is decent people will buy it second hand or in the bargain bin and if it's as modable as it seems, it will still be played in 5 years so there's no urgency for another subsim.

And if there's still a strong following in 3/4 years Ubi or someone else will see potential $$$ and they'll make another subsim.

Agreed.....there is always a business out there looking to make profits.

[Catfish]

Hello,
have been away for some weeks and now this crazy Rise-of-flight-stuff is also done to Silent Hunter V ?!
At least i understand now why they did not tell something about it earlier
With this DRM they know exactly from where you played, with what IP-adress, at what time. As soon as their registering server breaks down you are not able to play, not even single missions - easy as that - happened before with RoF. At the same time any patch is automatically being force-downloaded to your harddisk as soon as you want to start the game. Wanted to play for 15 minutes ? Forget it, load down the new 700 m patch first, apply, restart PC. The patch is broken, not able to play ? Wait for the next one.


Maybe someone should tell UBIsoft that this kind of DRM is most probably NOT ALLOWED IN THE EU, because it violates the basic law of customer protection of the EU, let alone it is against what is being written down in Germany's basic law book, the Grundgesetz.
I know this is still a grey zone, with companies surging ahead without looking at the laws.
Same with "not being able to resell the game".
The latter is certainly easy to circumvent, log-in and register with a new fantasy account you just made up, and resell this eMail-adress with the game.
But the thought of this crap alone !

I know it's not the devs, but what are those ******** marketing sons of goat desecrators thinking ? This is not Mickeysoft server architecture, or SAP.
This is a bloody GAME ! GET REAL !

Greetings,
Catfish

P.S. I recently bought RoF, because the dev team announced to finally drop the online requirement. I would not have bought it without this announcement.

[Iranon]

I am willing to buy games, which includes my right to resell them, and to use them as I wish without needing to ask for permission every time I try to run them.
Otherwise I am not the owner and therefore haven't bought it.

In some cases, I may be willing to pay monthly or annual fees for the privilege of playing. This makes some sense for games that have new content added continuously and some standardisation is recommended (e.g. because it's a predominantly online game).
Here full ownership could be the awkward option, feeling pressured into buying a new expansion every month wouldn't be any better, escalate costs and involve more work for the consumer.

I am, however, not willing to pay a realistic buying price if I don't get the associated rights.

[henriksultan]

Well ofcource the devs should be credited for there great work, no doubt about it. So many hours of fun I have had with the silent hunter games...
Still wont buy the game coz i dont trust my internet connection do. But I bet SH5 will be a awesome game and I will be here to read all tales of fun...

Till DRM goes missing, happy sailing!
Great work and live well and prosper!

[artao]

Game resale does not hurt the developer or publisher because there is still only one copy of the game that was initially bought. If I resell it, I no longer have a copy, thus only one copy was ever sold such that the publisher/developer gets revenue from it. And if I buy a game and don't like it or find it has no replay value, I darn well better be able to re-sell it! Copying a game and keeping it while selling the original is, of course, illegal, and should be. But the argument that game resale hurts developers/publishers is a non-argument at best.
Also, I like the argument from whomever posted it that one can not read the EULA until AFTER one has purchased the item in question. That is quasi-legal at best, but few if any people have challenged that. I don't even read EULAs anymore, because it's pointless. If I click 'don't agree' I can't use the software, and have no recourse to recover the money I spent on it. Just TRY to return a PC game you've already opened, I dare you. Ridiculous. So I just click 'accept' as I really have no other real choice.


ps -- how do I add the 'no connection to Ubisoft' etc image to my sig?

[HundertzehnGustav]

in your signature menu, add/replace a signature element, click the *insert image* button
a popup windows wants you to indicate the location of the image.
The location is
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y116/oleman/drm31.jpg

[The General]

Originally Posted by henriksultan

I still wont buy the game coz i dont trust my internet connection. But I bet SH5 will be a awesome game and I will be here to read all tales of fun...!

Surely you're gonna atleast try the game before you make such an absolute decision?!

[Rip]

Originally Posted by The General

Surely you're gonna atleast try the game before you make such an absolute decision?!

How exactly can you try it without buying it? I haven't seen any 30 day trial offers, and now you are forbade from reselling it. The only way to try it is find someone else buying it on faith and being stuck with it whether it works for them or is a frequent disconnect/downtime nightmare.

I will buy it and write extensively here and elsewhere of the experience for whatever it turns out to be. I hope it is a positive one but if not expect me to be a very vocal and unforgiving critic. If the right to be an obnoxious bitcher is all my money ends up buying I intend to make extensive use of it.

[The General]

Originally Posted by Rip

How exactly can you try it without buying it?

Well, a friend of his might buy it and he can take a look it at it then. What I meant was that it's a bit soon to make an absolute decision on SH5 wouldn't you say?

As for Reselling SH5, what is it; 1986?! Who's making all this money out of reselling games exactly?

[artao]

AHA!! thanks. I'd just tried the old 'img' tags, didn't know about the insert image button. heh heh ...

[Rip]

Originally Posted by The General

Well, a friend of his might buy it and he can take a look it at it then. What I meant was that it's a bit soon to make an absolute decision on SH5 wouldn't you say?

As for Reselling SH5, what is it; 1986?! Who's making all this money out of reselling games exactly?

If you don't like it and resell right away you can do very well, or at least trade for some other game. About 30% of the games I own I got from someone else. Actually this is even bigger in consoles than PCs but strangely consoles are not subject to the crazy OSP crap.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

a developer doesn't see a single penny from the game until the publishers have got back all of the advance they paid to fund development. If the game doesn't sell enough units then the developer may not get anything.

Not if the developers are Ubisoft employees, then they are salaried employees of the publisher and they get paid... Hmmm... every month I guess. I think in this case it would be more accurate to say that the devs get paid before the game is finished and will cease to be paid if SH5 add-ons or SH6 are cancelled.

Originally Posted by Randomizer

If I cannot re-sell an item, I do not really own it and so will not go through the fiction of "buying" it. If this DRM represents progress it can move ahead without me.

Interesting point. As you are no buying the game, you are merely purchasing a license to play it, then the code on the game is not property being bought and if that's true, then can you actually steal it? .

And to the point about no value going back to the publisher for a resale, then that's not true either. Some people rely on getting that cash back when they purchase the game, to offset the large cost of buying the latest game as soon as it comes out. Others want to keep their copy, so they pay full whack. I'd say that the money gained from selling old games will go to new games in a lot of cases.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I think in this case it would be more accurate to say that the devs get paid before the game is finished and will cease to be paid if SH5 add-ons or SH6 are cancelled.

No, I expect most of them will be assigned to work on other titles/projects thats all.
And I'm quite sure they recieve a monthy salary like most people.

[GlobalExplorer]

Looks like in order to play Silent Hunter you need a high speed internet connection, a bit of luck and a lawyer.