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Task Force · 08-27-09, 10:45 PM

I also like the fact that a pc is customiseable... Of course a pc costs an arm and a leg if you want a realy good one. but If someone wants to just play simple game on a pc, they can buy one for that... If someone wants a computer that chews up and spits out crysis they can have that also... but for consoles... If I just want a simple console to play simple games that dosent have the state of the art graphics... I would have to pay that of someone that wants to buy the all out console...

and then for the lucky xbox customers theres the red ring of death.

(plain fact is I hate consoles because they are ruining the PC gameing, makeing developers start to swhich to them.)

FIREWALL · 08-27-09, 11:21 PM

I don't have a console and probably won't get one.

But to say it will NEVER be as good as a PC.

Spike88 · 08-28-09, 09:43 AM

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plus on a computer you can just upgrade it... you dont have to buy a new console (and hope the consoles new games arnt s***), memory card, controler,ect every fiew years... if you build a good pc, that is future prone... you can just add onto it every every once in a while...

The ps3 will have support for the next 10 years, the ps2 had support for just as long. You dont have to replace it as much as you do with computer parts. Sure it starts to look aged, but like someone said 200-400 for a new console upfront is better than 400 for a computer, where you have to pay 200 to upgrade it every year or so. To build a computer on par with my ps3, I'd need to spend over what I spent for the ps3 in the first place. In two to three years I'd need to upgrade again. You can upgrade a PS3 with a new Hard drive.

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I also like the fact that with a pc you can play older games... If I had a PS3 I couldnt play my old ps1 games...

I dont know where you're getting your information from, but its wrong. Every PS3 out there can play PS1 games. And if you dont have the original disk, a lot of ps1 games are coming out on the Playstation Network. And more are added every thursday. Plus any PS1 games you download work on a PSP.

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and if you have the rong version you can play your PS2 games ither...

As for PS2 games, only certain PS3 SKU's can play them. But Sony is making an emulator, which after downloading will let you play PS2 games.

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and If you look at the Wii... you cant play anything other than the S*** games out for it now...

A lot of older SNES, NES, N64, Sega Genesis, Commodore 64, Sega Master System, Turbo-Grafx 16, and Neo Geo games are available for download.
They're about 5 dollars a piece and theres over 313 of them.

Arclight · 08-28-09, 11:45 AM

Task Force, if you want to bash consoles, focus on the 360. It's a lot easier! :rotfl:

Here's something to get you started.

http://kotaku.com/5346777/ps3-slim-v...le-of-the-tape

Task Force · 08-28-09, 12:18 PM

and now I shall revise a post that I posted half asleep... now I feel like a big jacka**...

Spike88 · 08-28-09, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

Task Force, if you want to bash consoles, focus on the 360. It's a lot easier! :rotfl:

Here's something to get you started.

http://kotaku.com/5346777/ps3-slim-v...le-of-the-tape

I concur. The 360 is a failure. A highly successful failure in which every makes games for because its easier. And people buy because its "cool" to have.

Anyways, the consoles have certain games that work for them the best and others that don't, and vice versa for the PC.

I used to be one of the group that said FPS shouldn't be on consoles, until I played a few, and its just as good as mouse and keyboard. The only games that really need a mouse and keyboard to play are RTS.

Task Force · 08-28-09, 02:28 PM

When at my cousents house I found that useing an analog stick to aim a snipes scope/sight is hard as h***... but I guess its cause I always have used a pc...

Arclight · 08-28-09, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike88

I concur. The 360 is a failure. A highly successful failure in which every makes games for because its easier. And people buy because its "cool" to have.

Anyways, the consoles have certain games that work for them the best and others that don't, and vice versa for the PC.

I used to be one of the group that said FPS shouldn't be on consoles, until I played a few, and its just as good as mouse and keyboard. The only games that really need a mouse and keyboard to play are RTS.

Hmm, not so much a failure, I guess. It's just a shame to see so much time and effort being poored into it, while leaving the "real" gamers, the ones that have been there long before the consoles gained popularity, the ones that prefer a challenge and don't mind actually having to think, out in the cold.

The one thing I really don't like is the console only-titles: I like Gran Turismo, Metal Gear and Final Fantasy (for example), but I can't play because I have to buy a console that doesn't satisfy me.

PS3 doesn't have BC. I know they're developing an emulator, but just putting the PS2 hardware back in (the first PS3s had it) would be a far superior solution.

360...? Same price as PS3 at a glance, but requires you to pay for optional upgrades to even come close to PS3 functionality.

Last thing is a matter of taste: I don't like X-box games. The first Halo game was alright, and... well, that's it. Gears of War? Please...

Oh, and imho FPS on console sucks donkeyballs. My brother bought 360 + COD5. Sold it after 2 months (actually he put it at my house after 2 weeks and didn't look back untill he sold it. Gave me a chance to play Assassin's Creed on 360. What a noisy pos! My PC doesn't even come close to that noise level while putting out better graphics and framerate), he went straight back to COD4 on PC.

Task Force · 08-28-09, 02:53 PM

Yea, I remember back when a relative and I were playing one of the old COD games on his old Xbox... aiming was hell... I put more bullets in the ground than in him... and anouther thing... playing on a tv... the other guy can see everything you can, which ruins the entire game... no suprise snipeing...

Didnt the old xbox catch on fire... and they still get the RROD...

Arclight · 08-28-09, 03:02 PM

We used to span a string/piece of rope and hang a sheet of paper from it, effectively dividing the screen in half. Did that when we still played the N64 for MarioKart and GoldenEye.

My brother linked me a couple of movies on YTube showing console gameplay from COD: you notice the people aim rougly at a target, and than strafe to hit. :rotfl:

I remember on the N64 playing GoldenEye, we could circle each other, emptying all the ammo for a weapon, and still not kill each other.

You can get a pretty satisfactory experience if you fine-tune the sensitivities and spend some time getting used to it, but imho a mouse just beats it hands down.

* I actually bought a second hand Xbox (first gen). Played for 2 weeks and then put it at a friend's whose Xbox had broken. I guess it's still there.

Task Force · 08-28-09, 03:04 PM

yea, I almost always hit with me mouse... lol eventhought walking is better with an stick...

Spike88 · 08-28-09, 08:58 PM

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Hmm, not so much a failure, I guess. It's just a shame to see so much time and effort being poored into it, while leaving the "real" gamers, the ones that have been there long before the consoles gained popularity, the ones that prefer a challenge and don't mind actually having to think, out in the cold.

I do agree a lot of console games out there are too straight forward and don't require any challenge, but still if there were no consoles gaming wouldn't be as popular.

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The one thing I really don't like is the console only-titles: I like Gran Turismo, Metal Gear and Final Fantasy (for example), but I can't play because I have to buy a console that doesn't satisfy me.

Samething if you own a Mac, which are becoming popular.

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PS3 doesn't have BC. I know they're developing an emulator, but just putting the PS2 hardware back in (the first PS3s had it) would be a far superior solution.

I'd rather download an emulator or even buy one instead of having to get a whole new system.

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360...? Same price as PS3 at a glance, but requires you to pay for optional upgrades to even come close to PS3 functionality.

Actually before they decided to release the slim at 299, a 360 was about the same price as a ps3 after you bought everything to get it to the same functionality.

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Last thing is a matter of taste: I don't like X-box games. The first Halo game was alright, and... well, that's it. Gears of War? Please...

I agree whole heartedly. Tis why I have a PC and a PS3, I can get the exclusive PS3 games, and 90% of the games out on the xbox.

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Oh, and imho FPS on console sucks donkeyballs. My brother bought 360 + COD5. Sold it after 2 months (actually he put it at my house after 2 weeks and didn't look back untill he sold it. Gave me a chance to play Assassin's Creed on 360. What a noisy pos! My PC doesn't even come close to that noise level while putting out better graphics and framerate), he went straight back to COD4 on PC.

I dunno, I love the orange box on my ps3 just as much as I love it on the PC.

Wolfehunter · 08-28-09, 09:06 PM

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Yeah baseless rumors propagated by console companies who would love to see the death of a competitor.

You said it right August.. Console wars against the PC world. Its all about that. Nothing else.

August · 08-28-09, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

You said it right August.. Console wars against the PC world. Its all about that. Nothing else.

It's a rat race out there and market share is king.

JMV · 08-29-09, 05:08 AM

There are some very good game on the XBox 360, of course, like Oblivion, Fallout 3 etc... but an XBox controller can't and will never equal a PC keyboard in terms of numbers of controls avaliable and modding potentialities...

I think a time is coming for XBox 360, ( and others ) that is not so far away, that it will be more and more difficult to innovate, just because of these limitations.

But people go for the not so cheap ( after all ) but easy. Plus a PC is more sensitive to CTD, or at least should I say, not everybody is a computer geek, or even less than that... As a comparition, I'd say there's as much difference between them as there is between reading a book, and watching the TV....

As for Microsoft FSX, I have 250 planes installed, and is a permanent resident program on my PC ( excuse me !! ).

08-27-09, 10:45 PM	#76
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I also like the fact that a pc is customiseable... Of course a pc costs an arm and a leg if you want a realy good one. but If someone wants to just play simple game on a pc, they can buy one for that... If someone wants a computer that chews up and spits out crysis they can have that also... but for consoles... If I just want a simple console to play simple games that dosent have the state of the art graphics... I would have to pay that of someone that wants to buy the all out console... and then for the lucky xbox customers theres the red ring of death. (plain fact is I hate consoles because they are ruining the PC gameing, makeing developers start to swhich to them.) __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time" Last edited by Task Force; 08-28-09 at 12:19 PM.

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FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I don't have a console and probably won't get one. But to say it will NEVER be as good as a PC. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-28-09, 11:45 AM	#79
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Task Force, if you want to bash consoles, focus on the 360. It's a lot easier! :rotfl: Here's something to get you started. http://kotaku.com/5346777/ps3-slim-v...le-of-the-tape __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

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Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	and now I shall revise a post that I posted half asleep... now I feel like a big jacka*... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"*

08-28-09, 02:28 PM	#82
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	When at my cousents house I found that useing an analog stick to aim a snipes scope/sight is hard as h**... but I guess its cause I always have used a pc... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"*

08-28-09, 02:53 PM	#84
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Yea, I remember back when a relative and I were playing one of the old COD games on his old Xbox... aiming was hell... I put more bullets in the ground than in him... and anouther thing... playing on a tv... the other guy can see everything you can, which ruins the entire game... no suprise snipeing... Didnt the old xbox catch on fire... and they still get the RROD... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-28-09, 03:02 PM	#85
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	We used to span a string/piece of rope and hang a sheet of paper from it, effectively dividing the screen in half. Did that when we still played the N64 for MarioKart and GoldenEye. My brother linked me a couple of movies on YTube showing console gameplay from COD: you notice the people aim rougly at a target, and than strafe to hit. :rotfl: I remember on the N64 playing GoldenEye, we could circle each other, emptying all the ammo for a weapon, and still not kill each other. You can get a pretty satisfactory experience if you fine-tune the sensitivities and spend some time getting used to it, but imho a mouse just beats it hands down. * I actually bought a second hand Xbox (first gen). Played for 2 weeks and then put it at a friend's whose Xbox had broken. I guess it's still there. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

08-28-09, 03:04 PM	#86
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	yea, I almost always hit with me mouse... lol eventhought walking is better with an stick... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

08-29-09, 05:08 AM	#90
JMV Sonar Guy Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Galway-IRELAND Posts: 397 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 0	There are some very good game on the XBox 360, of course, like Oblivion, Fallout 3 etc... but an XBox controller can't and will never equal a PC keyboard in terms of numbers of controls avaliable and modding potentialities... I think a time is coming for XBox 360, ( and others ) that is not so far away, that it will be more and more difficult to innovate, just because of these limitations. But people go for the not so cheap ( after all ) but easy. Plus a PC is more sensitive to CTD, or at least should I say, not everybody is a computer geek, or even less than that... As a comparition, I'd say there's as much difference between them as there is between reading a book, and watching the TV.... As for Microsoft FSX, I have 250 planes installed, and is a permanent resident program on my PC ( excuse me !! ).