More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent (Global warming merged)

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

Limited slip is interesting isn't it? My 68 Torino GT Fatback had 4:11 posi gears in the pumpkin, and was a blast in the snow. I could actually light up the big 305/15s on the backend.

Those old Bronco's were cool. I had my Mom's 79 XLT Ranger version with the 4speed, I think it was a Warner T19? In 4 Low, it could climb a hill like an old Willys Jeep. It was great for hunting season too. You could pack out a butchered bull elk in that thing. Best engine in it was the 351 Cleveland V-8. That thing could pull some weight.

I had posi traction on my 80 Lincoln. Yep, fun in the snow. Never got stuck with it.

[nikimcbee]

Weather update. This place (portland, or) is the most unprepared place ever. They don't plow the roads here (only main highways) now the roads have horrendus ruts dug in the packed snow. this weather is supposed to last for another week. all of us from the Midwest, laugh at this region, because they are so unprepared. They won't salt the roads because of the enviromental impact:rotfl: .

This place needs MN weather for 2 weeks. 3 feet of snow and 5 degrees outside.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Weather update. This place (portland, or) is the most unprepared place ever. They don't plow the roads here (only main highways) now the roads have horrendus ruts dug in the packed snow. this weather is supposed to last for another week. all of us from the Midwest, laugh at this region, because they are so unprepared. They won't salt the roads because of the enviromental impact:rotfl: .

This place needs MN weather for 2 weeks. 3 feet of snow and 5 degrees outside.

As I heard the governor of Arkansas say on the radio once while spending the night in my truck on I-40 because of ice and snow and wrecks "God put it on the road, he'll clear it off" (or a reasonable facsimile thereof).

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Great we'll send you ours.

I agree!

And what is surprising - The global average is in steep decline. You thought China had a bad winter last year? It was nothing as compared to this year. They are reporting worst winter so far in 57 years, and its expected to get worse!

-S

[SUBMAN1]

More fuel for the fire!

-S

Scientist fired by Al Gore was told, "science will not intrude on public policy".


Dr. William Happer (Source: Princeton University)

Noted energy expert and Princeton physicist Dr. Will Happer has sharply criticized global warming alarmism. Happer, author of over 200 scientific papers and a past director of energy research at the Department of Energy, called fears over global warming "mistaken".

"I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect", said Happer. "Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science."

Dr. Happer views climate change as a predominately natural process. "The earth's climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past."

In 1991, Happer was appointed director of energy research for the US Department of Energy. In 1993, he testified before Congress that the scientific data didn't support widespread fears about the dangers of the ozone hole and global warming, remarks that caused then-Vice President Al Gore to fire him. "I was told that science was not going to intrude on public policy", he said. "I did not need the job that badly".

Happer's latest remarks were made yesterday, as he asked to be included in a Senate Environment and Public Works report of scientists disputing global warming alarmism. Happer joins 650 other scientists on the list, many of whom have been interviewed previously by DailyTech.

"Computer models used to generate frightening scenarios from increasing levels of carbon dioxide have scant credibility," Happer concluded.

In response to Happer's remarks, Senator James Inhofe, ranking minority member of the Environment and Public Works Committee, said, "The endless claims of a consensus on man-made global warming grow less and less credible every day".

http://www.dailytech.com/Princeton+P...ticle13773.htm

[AVGWarhawk]

Don't believe the hype! Also, buy Gore's book because he needs to keep up the electric bill on his sprawling mansion.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Don't believe the hype! Also, buy Gore's book because he needs to keep up the electric bill on his sprawling mansion.

I would but i had to spend the money on this months huge global warming heating bill.

[sunvalleyslim]

Thanks Subman,
As most of us sit here freezing our butts off it's hard to believe there is such a thing as global warming. If it's not proven scientifically then it's pure BS............

[Gorduz]

Global warming is based on some simple facts:

If you place more CO_2 in the atmosphere it WILL get hotter, no doubt about it. How much hotter? Not that hard a calcualtion either but still it is a question how much energy will go to melting glaciers, how much to heat sea-water and how much to heat the air at sea level (global temperature). This is a hard question and scientists predict somewhere between 2 and 6 degrees increase in global temperature within 2100.

The next question is the really hard one, which most enlightened climate skeptics criticise, what the effect of increasing the temperature? Well the turth is (no matter what Al Gore says) that no one knows. What feedback mechanisms exists? are they positive or negaitve? These things are hard to tell without doing an experiment, which is hard since we only have one earth.

The actions against global warming will depend on the damage it will cause. If you belive (which some models predict) that it will almost be an apocolypse, then ofcourse stopping it as quickly as possible no matter the costs is the only alternative. If you belive that humans can adapt a cost-benefit analyzis must be done for every measure taken. Will using millions of dollars to reduce emmisions really be worth it, or is it cheaper to build dams/irrigation facilities?

THAT is the question that is being asked by "renegade" scientists. And that is a valid question as the answer right now comes from computer models with only minor or no experimental data to support them.

[Frame57]

More CO2 will also cause more plant life to grow....Eh who cares anyway...

[Aramike]

Like I said in another thread, the whole idea of so-called "climate change" makes the absurd assumption that the Earth is perfect the way it is.

Paper or plastic? Hell, I say both. Then start both bags on fire just for kicks.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Gorduz

Global warming is based on some simple facts:

The actions against global warming will depend on the damage it will cause. If you belive (which some models predict) that it will almost be an apocolypse, then ofcourse stopping it as quickly as possible no matter the costs is the only alternative. If you belive that humans can adapt a cost-benefit analyzis must be done for every measure taken. Will using millions of dollars to reduce emmisions really be worth it, or is it cheaper to build dams/irrigation facilities?

Ummmm haven't you heard the other 'experts' simple facts they said it's too late already nothing can be done about it. Ten years is all we have now. Ten years to get oil too even if we start drilling now. Aww heck, ten years for prices to go down, ten years before the sun super novas, ten years before Im 56. Experts say ten years, ten years, ten years for everything. 'Experts' have spoken and said your world is supposedly over a gazillion to the tenth power years old. They told me global warming is irreverseable and going to end the world in ten years based on 120 years of hard data?

Give up on it already live life to the fullest, it's short enough already without having to lose ten more years of it sweating over this crap.

The day a politician tells me a fact is the day I win a million dollars.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

The day a politician tells me a fact is the day I win a million dollars.

And probably about 5 minutes before the utter and complete destruction of the galaxy.:rotfl:

[Stealth Hunter]

We know that:


• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades. NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies has confirmed this.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, as shown by climatology scientists. The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850. This statistic was likewise confirmed by NASA.

• Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004. Once again, NASA investigated and confirmed this.

• Arctic ice is disappearing at an alarming rate, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by the year 2040 or even earlier. To add to this, polar bears and other native species are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting. For instance, Montana's glacier park now has only 27 glaciers, compared to the 150 that existed in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws a week earlier than usual and freezes end a week later than usual.

• Coral reefs suffered the worst bleaching since 1998 (when they're destroyed by stress from temperature change), with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70%. Scientists expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise causing the currents to change.

• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events (such as heat waves and tropical storms) has come with the climate changes.



We also know that:



• Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all of which are greenhouse gases.

• Humans are putting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere faster than plants and ocean algae can absorb it.

• These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, so that even if such emissions were reduced or completely eliminated today, it would still not cause global warming to immediately cease.

• Scientists have proven that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain part of the current trend.


We're not entirely to blame, but we are accelerating the process. We do need to pay more attention to what we dump into the world, because if we don't, we're in trouble. Global warming is not some elaborate hoax conjured up by the scientists so they can obtain more money, but it's certainly not our fault alone as some claim.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

We know that:


Global warming is not some elaborate hoax conjured up by the scientists so they can obtain more money, but it's certainly not our fault alone as some claim.

Great, so all those tax scemes can go away then.