Sarah Palin - A closer look - Page 6

McBeck · 09-30-08, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Good point, GlobEx.

Looking at Thursday's debate, I'm a little worried.

I consider Palin to be an almost total disaster area. Notice her answer to the question regarding Hamas.

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Couric asked, "What happens if the goal of democracy doesn't produce the desired outcome? In Gaza, the U.S. pushed hard for elections and Hamas won."

Palin's answer, in full, was this: "Yeah, well especially in that region, though, we have to protect those who do seek democracy and support those who seek protections for the people who live there. What we're seeing in the last couple of days here in New York is a President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, who would come on our soil and express such disdain for one of our closest allies and friends, Israel ... and we're hearing the evil that he speaks and if hearing him doesn't allow Americans to commit more solidly to protecting the friends and allies that we need, especially there in the Mideast, then nothing will."

It's not that she doesn't know the answer. She flat out doesn't understand the question.

However, we've seen from trail reporting that she is rather skilled at bumper-sticker politics. As long as the sentences are short and snappy, she can pull it off. Putting her up against Joe Biden will be like night and day. He will try to keep the longwindedness to a minimum, she will desperately roll out punchline after punchline.
With debate coverage being what it is, I fear that the latter will carry the evening.

Sigh

Maybe im just not that bright but I had to read 3 times to get at least some kind of understanding of what she was saying...

AVGWarhawk · 09-30-08, 12:55 PM

HEHE Biden's turn:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...ing-shot-iraq/

nikimcbee · 09-30-08, 01:04 PM

Can we get rid of all four candidates and start over?

AVGWarhawk · 09-30-08, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Can we get rid of all four candidates and start over?

That would be great!

Tchocky · 09-30-08, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Good thought here but I think this debate will be on the economy more so than world affairs. What, the first 45 minutes of the presidentual debate was about the economy? If they focus on economy, I think Palin will out do Biden. On world affairs, Biden might have the upper hand. Note...I said might.

Lucky she's well up on the economic record of her ticket.

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Couric: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

Palin: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie - that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.

Couric: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

Palin: He's also known as the maverick though, taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about - the need to reform government.

Couric: But can you give me any other concrete examples? Because I know you've said Barack Obama is a lot of talk and no action. Can you give me any other examples in his 26 years of John McCain truly taking a stand on this?

Palin: I can give you examples of things that John McCain has done, that has shown his foresight, his pragmatism, and his leadership abilities. And that is what America needs today.

Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.

Palin: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.

kiwi_2005 · 09-30-08, 01:55 PM

Well when i first saw Sarah Palin on Tv just the other week, i thought WOW! I can see why Mckain picked her

. So if McKain gets in as president and he happens to kick the bucket during his time she will become the first woman president? I bet Hillary is smashing plates at home as we speak

Digital_Trucker · 09-30-08, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Can we get rid of all four candidates and start over?

:rotfl:Yes, please! I nominate Howdy-Doody and Clarabelle the Cow for the Republican nominees

Kapt Z · 09-30-08, 08:19 PM

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Please do not overinterpret my next remark, but imo the US cannot be such a free and modern nation as they always like to be seen if politicians don't even have the freedom to say an honest opinion about religion. If someonewants to get president or senator in the US they must either be exemplary Christians or lie about this.

Well there is enough right there for a bunch of threads...

Same about marriage, why must all candidates be happily married with 1-2 kids? In Europe we have some homosexuals and asexuals and a lot of divorced people in politics and I don't think that this is anyone's business either.[/quote]

I blame Norman Rockwell.

Sailor Steve · 09-30-08, 09:37 PM

I blame George Lincoln Rockwell!:rotfl:

Frame57 · 09-30-08, 10:41 PM

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Not really! This is a symptom and not necessarily one that deals with religion. I feel morals are aside from religion this is why we have laws. But if you check that indeed what i have said is true. Perhaps another thread would be required for the child molester issue, but I feel strongly that any candidate not just Palen will be attacked by amoralsist. The progressives in the US embrace the doctrines of the EU which are precisely the people that attack our American history and any and all that have faith and morals. It is just that folks of religion tend to stand up for morals so they get the brunt of these arguments. I make no apologies for our attacked pledge of allegiance or that our sworn in officials place their hand over the bible. Palen has her rights in this country to practice her faith a faith that I am sure the likes of many will attack. But do note that she is not running a faith based campaign by no measure, but it is the attack dogs that are bringing up these issues not the GOP. It is also interesting to note that here that the arguments are from mostly non US residents. Case and point....

Palen's faith is her own concern as long as she doesn't make it my concern.
Maybe someday this country will be religiously mature enough to hear a candidate say that his/her faith, or lack of, is nobody's business and still elect them. Won't that be something!

Oh, and I actually am one of those progressive Christian US residents.

Agreeeeeeeed! 110%

August · 09-30-08, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

Same about marriage, why must all candidates be happily married with 1-2 kids?

Because it's not true? We have single politicians, we have gay politicians, heck we might even have an athiest or two in Congress. Where did you get the idea we don't?

GlobalExplorer · 10-01-08, 06:27 AM

Well I wouldn't mind to learn something new if you provide some names / links Augie.

Just for the record here in Germany we never had gay ministers but it's only a matter of time now. The leader of the liberal party is a homo, as is the mayor of Berlin (that was the one who said in his inaugural speech: "Yes I am gay. And it's good that way"). They are fags, and admit it when asked, but otherwise are keeping a low profile about it, so even older people got used to it quickly. I said what I said because I really don't think that would be possible in the US, but please show me otherwise.

Digital_Trucker · 10-01-08, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Well I wouldn't mind to learn something new if you provide some names / links Augie.

It's an old one (2002), so the numbers have probably changed a bit (i.e. gone up)

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLI...tes/index.html

Better yet, just google openly gay US politicians and see what you come up with

AVGWarhawk · 10-01-08, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Do you think Palin will be the fallgirl if Mccain looses?

Nah...McCain can fail all by himself without help. He was doing a fine job losing before Palin showed up. :rotfl:

GlobalExplorer · 10-01-08, 03:01 PM

from that article:

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The number of openly gay officer holders in the United States is quite small.

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In 1991 -- when the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, which supports openly gay candidates, started -- there were 49 openly gay politicians at the local, state and federal level. Last week, that number stood at 223. A 1995 census report put the number of elective offices in the United States at 511,039.

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So the 223 openly gay politicians fill well under 1 percent of those posts.

fits well under 1%

LOL according to arithmetics it' s not even 0.05%

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Most of those 223 individuals serve at the local and state level, and just under 6 percent are Republicans.

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There are only three openly gay lawmakers at the federal level: Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat, Jim Kolbe, an Arizona Republican and Tammy Baldwin, a Wisconsin Democrat

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Conservative groups say openly gay candidates and politicians want to promote a narrow political agenda that would undermine traditional family values.

I think I stop quoting here before I take out the whole article. Read it yourself and see why I think with estimates for gay population going up to 10% the issue in the US is absolutely insignificant.

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Well when i first saw Sarah Palin on Tv just the other week, i thought WOW! I can see why Mckain picked her . So if McKain gets in as president and he happens to kick the bucket during his time she will become the first woman president? I bet Hillary is smashing plates at home as we speak __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Well I wouldn't mind to learn something new if you provide some names / links Augie. Just for the record here in Germany we never had gay ministers but it's only a matter of time now. The leader of the liberal party is a homo, as is the mayor of Berlin (that was the one who said in his inaugural speech: "Yes I am gay. And it's good that way"). They are fags, and admit it when asked, but otherwise are keeping a low profile about it, so even older people got used to it quickly. I said what I said because I really don't think that would be possible in the US, but please show me otherwise. __________________ Last edited by GlobalExplorer; 10-01-08 at 06:40 AM.

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Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 911 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	[ Please do not overinterpret my next remark, but imo the US cannot be such a free and modern nation as they always like to be seen if politicians don't even have the freedom to say an honest opinion about religion. If someonewants to get president or senator in the US they must either be exemplary Christians or lie about this. Well there is enough right there for a bunch of threads... Same about marriage, why must all candidates be happily married with 1-2 kids? In Europe we have some homosexuals and asexuals and a lot of divorced people in politics and I don't think that this is anyone's business either.[/quote] I blame Norman Rockwell.