Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Sunni Saudi Arabia wants to dominate the Middle East. Syria is Sunni, but led by Alevi (a Shiite branch) Assad, a partner of Iran. Iran is Shiite and a rival of Saudi Arabia.

The US and Israel consider Iran to be hostile, since the Iranian people brought down their tyrant, a willing partner for western oil business.

Saudi Arabia backed US in fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, to have an allied/western base next to Iran. The US wanted to fight back the new communist Afghansitan, supported by the Russians.

Turkey would like to join the attack, but this is not in Saudi Arabia's interest.

So Syria is a piece of the puzzle to hit Iran - following the interests of Saudi Arabia, Israel and the US.

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Syria has a God, each warring faction in the rebel war against the preset regime in Syria has a God.

Iran has a God that is the same as the Saudi's it's just a small religious spat they are having about where Mecca should be or more to the point how to worship as a true Muslim should.

Iran by the way is aligned with the Assad and his military defense of Syria.

Israel has a God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The good ole USA has a God, the son of God most high, Jesus, of which the Jewish nation of Israel denies that he is who he says he is.

Russia and China have, for the most part, no God [...]

Seriously, what is this: history and religion for 1st graders?
I checked my browser's title page twice to see if I really landed at subsim and not at some Pokemon forum. With an argumentation niveau like this, I don't even know where to start with counterarguments.
So I'll just say: no, you both failed in doing your homework.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

Oh that guy who also believes that 9/11 was an inside job?
Sorry, not a very convincing guy.

The available information on the internet changes over time. Sources vanish or hide, data is reinterpreted or rewritten to fit (minitrue you know).
Evidence is hard to find for us. They are not stupid to leave it out in the open. They actively work on our perception, on the information and its interpretation.

'As far as I understand' does not claim any evidence.
It's all about connecting the dots, the bits of information we get, not following the prethought concepts offered by the governments (they tend to lie), but using one's own brain. Forming an 'own' opinion by thinking.

First of, who are "they"? This question is being asked all the time, but nobody
seems to have an answer.

And connecting the dots is a prime reason why these theories never hold water.
"Debunkers" rely on facts and available data, CTers rely on nothing but their own imagination.

EDIT: And the link between CIA and OBL has been known for quite some time.
Proves nothing.

EDIT2: You still use a quote that says "Al-Qaeda" means "Database".
Look, Arabic isnt some dead language, you can check it out yourself if you dont believe me.

[Mittelwaechter]

It's easy to do in Rome as the Romans do.

Sorry, the official 9/11 story isn't convincing either. But it is easy to claim it to be true, because it's official.

They are the true rulers, the regents of our world.
They are the guys behind the banks and investment fonds, the guys close to the politicians, the profiters of the wars, the collectors of tax money.

They are not a regular entity, but a changing coalition of interests.
They are like a wolf pack: powerful individuals that come together to hunt.

The most important ones are here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fed...families/25080

I have only limited access and limited time to debunk any concepts. But I don't parrot the official concepts to be on the safe side, the side of the majority, the side that easily mocks others for thinking different.

Al Qaeda means list or base or data base. It's used for several issues. As far as I know, Osama was the master of the data base listing the fighters in Afghanistan.
The interpretation of the training camps to be the source for the name is new to me.
Your guys think this is the true, my guys think the other interpretation is true.
Do you have any evidence?

They named the training base "Al-qaida" as they name a list "Al Qaeda" and a data base "al Qaida". It's not that important anyway. In our case it's a group of individuals on a list or in a camp.

[TLAM Strike]

The Russians are rotating their fleet in the Med. By the end of the month they will have a task force that looks something like this:

Slava cruiser Moskva
Udaloy destroyer Marshal Shaposhnikov (Gulf of Aden)
Kashin class frigate Smetlivy
Missile Corvettes Shtil and Ivanovets
Amur Class Repair Ship PM-138
Assault Ships Nikolai Filchenkov, Novocherkassk and Minsk
Intel Trawler Priazovye

The ships leaving the med will probably be:
Udaloy destroyer Admiral Panteleyev,
Assault ships Admiral Nevelsky and Alexander Shabalin,
frigate Neustrashimy

[Oberon]

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Sorry, the official 9/11 story isn't convincing either. But it is easy to claim it to be true, because it's official.

It's easy to claim it true because the facts are there to back it up.

They are the true rulers, the regents of our world.
They are the guys behind the banks and investment fonds, the guys close to the politicians, the profiters of the wars, the collectors of tax money.

They are not a regular entity, but a changing coalition of interests.
They are like a wolf pack: powerful individuals that come together to hunt.

The most important ones are here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fed...families/25080

My god! They actually list sources in that one! That's something you dont see
everyday from the CT side.

Waaaait a minute...

David Icke, believes probably in every single conspiracy there is.
Jim Marrs, believes in JFK CT, aliens, telepathy and so on.
Eustace Mullins, believes the jews control the world. Also, a bit of a racist.

So.. sorry, but not very convincing.

I have only limited access and limited time to debunk any concepts. But I don't parrot the official concepts to be on the safe side, the side of the majority, the side that easily mocks others for thinking different.

The only reason you are mocked is because you spout the "think for yourself!" crap, yet you clearly fail to do so yourself. If you would, you'd see
that there is no conspiracy. It as simple as that.

Al Qaeda means list or base or data base. It's used for several issues. As far as I know, Osama was the master of the data base listing the fighters in Afghanistan.
The interpretation of the training camps to be the source for the name is new to me.
Your guys think this is the true, my guys think the other interpretation is true.
Do you have any evidence?

Yep, here's a shot from three diffeferent english - arabic online dictionaries:

It's not that important anyway.

You brought it up, I pointed you were wrong. Kinda eats the credibility of the
article you posted, if the guy cant get even that right.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Yep, here's a shot from three diffeferent english - arabic online dictionaries:

Ah yest the whole Al Qaeda is a CIA name meaning the database.

I recall pointing out the same thing you just did a while back in thread that mentioned Al Qaeda and what it really means according to the conspiracy folks.Some people just do not get it I recon.

I suppose I could also add that Al Qaeda, when used as a pronoun in Arabic more closely translates to "the basis or the base(of an idea or belief.... the foundation).

Al means "the" or "of" in Arabic. For example the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade means (followers) "of the Al-Aqusa mosque".

I am no expert in Arabic but my uncle spent many years snooping in on Arabic military radio networks the ones allied with the Soviets during the Cold War and he speaks Arabic fluently.

[eddie]

We have to stay out of this stupid war!! Just read the first 4 sentences of this article.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52928567/n...ew_york_times/

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by eddie

We have to stay out of this stupid war!! Just read the first 4 sentences of this article.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52928567/n...ew_york_times/

That is a very serious problem who do you choose to back and in the long term once Assad is gone the folks that you did not pick will be angry and it will just keep going.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by eddie

We have to stay out of this stupid war!! Just read the first 4 sentences of this article.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52928567/n...ew_york_times/

Aye, there are a lot of videos showing the brutality on both sides. Of course,
the videos can't be confirmed to be from Syria, but I have no doubt they are
going medieval on each other.

[Ducimus]

It's their country, their politics, their civil war, and their problem; not ours.

[Tchocky]

Lowering the bar for chemical weapon use is everyone's problem.

[Stealhead]

Oh also the 3rd al-Qaida is a neurotic house cat in Bangladesh.The fourth al-Qa'ida did not do so well and its CIA appointed leader wound up running a felafel stand where he vigorously promotes Shria law and plots ways to kill Skybird.

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Lowering the bar for chemical weapon use is everyone's problem.

What do you mean by lowering the bar? What height should the bar be set at?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Lowering the bar for chemical weapon use is everyone's problem.

If your so anxious to kick down doors and solve problems, then strap up, kit out and serve your conscience overseas.