Should we ban blasphemy

[Armistead]

This issue may have been touch on in one of the " insert here has gone crazy threads", so forgive me if it has been mentioned, but maybe we can discuss it in more detail.

The Prime Minister of Pakistan wants the UN to develop international legislation to outlaw blasphemy. PM Ashraf ordered all internet providers toblock youtube in Pakistan.....all of it.

http://www.pri.org/stories/politics-...emy-11551.html

So if a bunch of nuts feel they can kill other people when you talk about their beliefs or God, should free speech by word and pen be limited. Obama and other leaders often tell us not to mock or talk about Islam. I understand trying to calm Islam, but should we care. There is much concern the upcoming Bin Ladin movie will cause more riots and death around the world.

I see many GOP members and Fox News host are saying the riots are payback because Obama keeps bringing up killing Bin Ladin and offending terrorist, causing them to do terrorist acts...

The good news for the Pakistani men is even though youtube was blocked, they still had access to porn via other sites.

[Kloef]

The good news for the Pakistani men is even though youtube was blocked, they still had access to porn via other sites.

[_dgn_]

Should we ban blasphemy ?

Yes, naturally !!!

By exemple, for the Christians, Jesus is "Son of God" or "Incarnated God".

Whoever refuses this fundamental principle of the Christian religion makes a blasphemy.

For example, Muslims, who regard Jesus only as a prophet ...

Cheers.

[Jimbuna]

Surely the above answer can only be answered by those who 'believe'

[August]

I think the better course is not to ban blasphemy but rather consider the worst religion bashing as a form of bullying. They're pretty much the same in form and intent.

[Skybird]

Blasphemy is the uneducated believer's and the hierarchical profiteer's way to make opposition to their world view shutting up - by using according laws, or a sword.

So I return the question to the forum, and everybody answers for himself: should blasphemy be banned?

[Skybird]

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[Takeda Shingen]

Oh good, another religion bashing thread. Err, sorry, another Abrahamic religion bashing thread. Eastern faiths always seem to avoid the crosshairs.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Oh good, another religion bashing thread. Err, sorry, another Abrahamic religion bashing thread. Eastern faiths always seem to avoid the crosshairs.

For good reason.

When was the last time you heard of a Shinto burning the bible, or a Buddhist suicide bomber?

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

By all means blasphemy should be banned so there is no such thing anywhere, or anyhow in the world. When there is no such thing as blasphemy the middle east will become soft and cuddly like a kitten.

It'll still be a desert. So cuddly like a wet dog.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

For good reason.

When was the last time you heard of a Shinto burning the bible, or a Buddhist suicide bomber?

And a lot will be solved by trashing it. No, it's just an excuse to take a few flogs at everyone's favorite whipping subject.

Making laws that ban or forbid people doing or saying is fine, it's upholding the laws that's difficult if people are unwilling to obey. We live by consent and our biggest problem will always be self.

The Muslims have never been able to come to terms with the fact the God told Abraham to throw Ishmael and his mother hagar out of the his camp. Hagar was not Abraham's wife, but servant. God promised Ishmael that his decendents would be too many to count . Its from Ishmael with the arrival of the Prophet Mohammed some hundreds of years later that Islam emerged.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/genesis/16.htm all is reveal here.

Interestingly, the Prophet Mohammed thought it was satan talking to him while hiding in the caves. This is where Mohammed received the revelations about Islam, it was his wife that convinced Mohammed it was God speaking.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

And a lot will be solved by trashing it. No, it's just an excuse to take a few flogs at everyone's favorite whipping subject.

Blasphemy is not bashing religion - blasphemy is calling any resistence to religion having its demanded way, a crime of hate, intolerance, or whatever.

You really have pushed yourself into a corner there.

Just check the many ways in which religiously motivated discrimination has found its ways into the laws and constitutions of quite several of your American federal states. For some reason that simply indicates double-standards, I have never heared a religious complaining about this sort of discrimination of different believers, or atheists. It seems that in some Americans' understanding even Bin Laden benefits from the circumstance that at least he was no atheist.

There are many people in your country that are afraid that their neighbours could find out that they are atheists, fearing for their jobs, the safety of their children when the are at school, their social life.

I had you separated from the usual religious zealots until today, but you repeatedly have illustrated now in some snapped comments the kind of double standards that usually come from right the religious zealots form which I tried to see you different. Should I take it that I have overestimated you? Please say No.

Play your radio silent enough so that others do not need to bother. Then the others maybe will stop yelling at you. And maybe then you see what the link between both events is.

If somebody still wonders what blasphemy is, and when it is called that: not agreeing with this text - that is blasphemy. Simply replace the words "Islamic" "Sharia", "Muslim" etc generally with "religious" or "any religion", and you see what blasphemy is, and what the purpose is of making this call.

And maybe you also see why not just Islam is a problem, but any orthodox fundamentalism in any religion in general. Christian and/or Jewish zealots have much more in common with those Islamic evil-doers they condemn, than these zealots are aware of. The difference is only clothing and language. The mindsets are the same.

[mapuc]

I have only one answer

"NO"

Markus

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Blasphemy is not bashing religion - blasphemy is calling any resistence to religion having its demanded way, a crime of hate, intolerance, or whatever.

You really have pushed yourself into a corner there.

Just check the many ways in which religiously motivated discrimination has found its ways into the laws and constitutions of quite several of your American federal states. For some reason that simply indicates double-standards, I have never heared a religious complaining about this sort of discrimination of different believers, or atheists. It seems that in some Americans' understanding even Bin Laden benefits from the circumstance that at least he was no atheist.

There are many people in your country that are afraid that their neighbours could find out that they are atheists, fearing for their jobs, the safety of their children when the are at school, their social life.

I had you separated from the usual religious zealots until today, but you repeatedly have illustrated now in some snapped comments the kind of double standards that usually come from right the religious zealots form which I tried to see you different. Should I take it that I have overestimated you? Please say No.

Play your radio silent enough so that others do not need to bother. Then the others maybe will stop yelling at you. And maybe then you see what the link between both events is.

If somebody still wonders what blasphemy is, and when it is called that: not agreeing with this text - that is blasphemy. Simply replace the words "Islamic" "Sharia", "Muslim" etc generally with "religious" or "any religion", and you see what blasphemy is, and what the purpose is of making this call.

And maybe you also see why not just Islam is a problem, but any orthodox fundamentalism in any religion in general. Christian and/or Jewish zealots have much more in common with those Islamic evil-doers they condemn, than these zealots are aware of. The difference is only clothing and language. The mindsets are the same.

And you have done nothing but prove my point; that you are using this thread yet another platform to trash religion. You simply take the opportunity to tell us that religion (except for your religion) is bad. That's a whole lot like the very people that you profess to stand against.

How silent is a silent radio for you? Am I allowed to go to mass? If I do, may I sing hymns? How many? Of what type? May I say 'God bless you' when someone sneezes? If so, how often? May I recite the Pledge of Allegiance? If so, how often should I omit 'under God'? I wasn't even aware that my faith was bothering you. I never proselytize, and certainly not on SubSim. In fact, the only time I talk about religion is when someone (usually you) is telling me how stupid religion is (except for your's, of course), and what a small-minded bigot I am for practicing it (also except for your's). It would seem that the very existence of the faith that I practice and the fact that I do practice it is an affront to you. In fact, on SubSim, it is always the atheists throwing the punches and those of faith absorbing them. I am tired of it, Skybird. Very, very tired of it.

And you can respect me or not; it makes very little difference to me. As for me, I'll keep my views regarding you to myself.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Skybird

There are many people in your country that are afraid that their neighbours could find out that they are atheists, fearing for their jobs, the safety of their children when the are at school, their social life.

In my 56 years living here I have never been subject to any fear, or retribution for being an agnostic turned atheist. This type of stuff does happen, not in major metropolitan areas but in the smaller rural communities and I don't believe it's very widespread at that. I also think that is an attitude that was more prevalent a few decades ago before women's liberation changed the work force and standard family unit.

EDIT: This just in from the religion of peace.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/ir...om-jail-81291/