Santorum brought home stillborn child...bat**** crazy alert.

[soopaman2]

No matter the spin this is pretty sick IMHO.

Nice pics from the Victorian age, but we had Negro slavery back then too.

He is trying to hard, catering to the wrong types of folks to win an election.

Cater to me. Wide open in ideology, no real favored leaning.

What will you do Rick? About our debt? About our uncontrolled borders and lax immigration laws? About our standing among nations? About unemployment? About bringing outsourced jobs home? About Cayman Island tax Havens?

Issues that effect the greater good, why is it Republicans in general (and especially this tard) feel a need to attack personal liberties (like abortion, and gay marriage) rather than dealing with the huge issues that effect us all as a nation?

Or am I nieve to expect such behavior from our bought and paid for government?

This irritates me because Mr. Santorum is not an evil man IMHO. He is just not a good fit for the USA

[Buddahaid]

I think what we have here is the reaction from our modern society that has come to feel death is almost unnatural and avoidable. We have become unused to it by the fact that children rarely die and people live much longer, coupled with the typical family unit spanning fewer generations, death has become far less personal and harder to deal with for many of us. We can conveniently hide from almost all death but our own now.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Except when he chose to make it public business by using it during a political campaign. It's not like some paparazzi snapped a photo. He drew attention to it himself and used it as proof of his pro-life credentials in 2005 and again during the 2008 election cycle.

And this is what I find so disgusting about the whole thing: using a stillborn for his own political agenda.
If he had kept it to himself and some reporter would have found out later, he could have said "So what, it's my private matter how I mourn about a loss!"
However the exploitation of this as a propaganda story makes him look nutty and is a disgrace to the dead baby and shows how far he is willing to go for his own political career.
Well, what else can one expect from a guy who is against contraception:"Yeah, let's ban calenders! Away with thermometers!"

And this is what I find so disgusting about the whole thing: using a stillborn for his own political agenda.

But that isn't what the topic was complaining about is it.
If that had been the complaint then just about everyone would be lining up in agreement because quite frankly Santorum is an offensive prick.
Also it wasn't stillborn was it, it died after being born alive so that was misleading right from the start.

[Bilge_Rat]

I agree with Bubblehead1980 on this one. Everyone grieves in their own fashion, but bringing home the body of your dead baby and introducing it to a 4-year old and 6-year child as their "dead brother"? That shows a singular lack of common sense.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I agree with Bubblehead1980 on this one. Everyone grieves in their own fashion, but bringing home the body of your dead baby and introducing it to a 4-year old and 6-year child as their "dead brother"? That shows a singular lack of common sense.

I underlined part which troubles me too in this. I can accept that parents want to keep body nearby them - thats their business and if it helps them to recover then even better. What comes to that "introduction" part of Mr. Santorum's grieving process is what I think to be a bit crazy...

Everyone grieves in their own fashion,

So how can you complain then?

That shows a singular lack of common sense.

How is it any different than bringing them to a funeral home or even a cemetary?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

How is it any different than bringing them to a funeral home or even a cemetary?

A funeral home or a cemetery is a place which a child will only visit on these kinds of occasion. You have time to prepare a child and to explain what death means. If the child does not feel comfortable getting close to the deceased, he can stay away.

The home is usually the place where a child feels the safest. Bringing a body into the home may have an unsettling effect on the child (obviously it depends on the child) and he may associate that memory with his home.

When I was 7, my cousin who was also 7 died. I can still vividly see the image of him in his coffin. Even though I played with him for years before, that is the only memory I have left of him. Death can have a powerful impact when you are young.

of course, that is only my opinion. This is probably the first time I have agreed with Bubblehead1980 on anything.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

I think this should've been a poll, then Bubbles would see just how much in the minority he actually is.

It's not news, it's not our business, it doesn't mean Sanotorum is a nutjob (he may be but this has absolutely nothing to do with it!), it's not out of the ordinary.

I know a few people that have suffered this and they still add the childs names when listing the family (cards/presents).

Source: The Stillbirth and Neonatal Death charity (SANDS)

Most people would not want to bring a dead baby home, it's just weird and odd.Santorum's crazy religious beliefs are responsible for this like.Like many religious types, he probably believes babies are a miracle from god or some bs, they are not.A man and a woman have sex, a kid comes out 9 months later.Sure, it's a great thing but it's not a damn miracle, it's biology! That is why the nutty pro lifers are so militant and crazy, they think babies are blessings from god

Nice to read some others agree with me and most people.Also, the argument from some other posters that it's the same as visiting a funeral home, well that argument is garbage.Funeral homes are equipped to deal with dead bodies and prepare them for the services.

Still listing the child's name is just sad, some people just need to let go, well as much as possible.I've had people do this and the first thought in my head is "Are they out of their freaking minds?"

Finslly, it is out business because he is running for President and after Iowa actually became a contender.Whether that lasts or not, we shall see.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

A funeral home or a cemetery is a place which a child will only visit on these kinds of occasion. You have time to prepare a child and to explain what death means. If the child does not feel comfortable getting close to the deceased, he can stay away.

The home is usually the place where a child feels the safest. Bringing a body into the home may have an unsettling effect on the child (obviously it depends on the child) and he may associate that memory with his home.

When I was 7, my cousin who was also 7 died. I can still vividly see the image of him in his coffin. Even though I played with him for years before, that is the only memory I have left of him. Death can have a powerful impact when you are young.

of course, that is only my opinion. This is probably the first time I have agreed with Bubblehead1980 on anything.

haha well this is just such a no brainer, can't believe how many people on here disagree with me on this one.Ah well.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by magicstix

Oh noes. He brought his stillborn child home to mourn rather than throw him in medical waste disposal like a good godless liberal. What a horrible person he is.

Really? This makes him crazy? Have you ever lost a child?

So true it's funny ...

The poor guy has so many against him you wonder who is for him.

Yet he is a man not afraid to say what he thinks.

Ask the gays

haha well this is just such a no brainer

If you have no brain that may be the case.

can't believe how many people on here disagree with me on this one.

Yet you still make silly claims about what "most people" think

Most people would not want to bring a dead baby home

Prove it, and on top of that prove that it has any relevance whatsoever

@Bilge rat

A funeral home or a cemetery is a place which a child will only visit on these kinds of occasion.

?????????

You have time to prepare a child and to explain what death means.

Do you really, is that a little chat on the way there or a little chat when you get back from the hospital?
How would any of that be different from a little chat before them seeing the dead body?

Bringing a body into the home may have an unsettling effect on the child (obviously it depends on the child)

And it may not, showing a child a coffin may have an unsettling effect, showing them a graveyard may have an unsettling effect ...so what?

I can still vividly see the image of him in his coffin

Some people don't like open coffins, does that mean people who choose open coffins are bat*** crazy or are the ones with closed coffins the crazies?
Some people don't like bodies being enbalmed, does that make them crazy?
Some people hate having a funeral director do anything apart from supply the box and drive the car, does that make them crazy?

[Bilge_Rat]

Ah Tribesman....

thank god you are there to show us the errors of our ways. relax man, its an internet discussion.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Tomorrow, my three year old daughter is off to see her Great-Grandfather, he died on New Year's Day, she saw him a couple of hours before he died in hospital.

On Friday, she will be at the crematorium, if she doesn't shout out something along the lines of, "Is he burned yet? Have they set him on fire? When do we throw him under that tree?", I'll be most amazed. I also don't care. We've had full and frank (and extremely funny) discussions about death, dying, burial, cremation, embalming, and she will be one of the most informed three year olds I know - we haven't tried to hide any aspect of it from her and have been totally honest, including our ignorance of what happens with his wee.

I hope this, along with her minder taking her to see the grave of a family friend, sets her in good stead for all future deaths she may come across, and not this bury-your-head-in-the-sand-in-the-hope-it'll-never-happen attitude most people (including me, up to a couple of weeks ago) seem to have nowadays.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

This is probably the first time I have agreed with Bubblehead1980 on anything.

I agree with him on many things. The problem I have is the single-minded self-righteous manner in which he insists on expressing himself. He needs to learn that his opinion is not fact.