The Revisionist Attitude Towards The Pacific Theater - Page 5

STEED · 07-14-10, 05:14 PM

People who call it a minor side show and so on need to read a few good books on the subject.

Bilge_Rat · 07-14-10, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

Ah, I see. You refer to the different side's ideologies effecting how they fought, while I was referring to the reasons behind the war itself.

Japan attacked the Western Allies in order to obtain resources so it can continue it's invasion of China, not because it's ideology demanded it attack them. Germany's invasion of Poland and later Russia was quite clearly launched with the intentions of fulfilling the ideological wishes of the Nazis (Among other things).

The difference is not that obvious. Under the Hakko Ichiu doctrine, the Japanese viewed themselves as a master race with a destiny to rule over Asia. Its not that different from the Nazi ideology:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakk%C5%8D_ichiu

TLAM Strike · 07-14-10, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

People who call it a minor side show and so on need to read a few good books on the subject.

I recommend:

Read it twice, fantastic.

STEED · 07-14-10, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

I recommend:

Read it twice, fantastic.

Funny you should post that, got it on my bookshelf.

Subnuts · 07-14-10, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The Cane Mutiny

That movie was sweet, man!

Fincuan · 07-14-10, 06:11 PM

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The Cane Mutiny

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Originally Posted by Subnuts

That movie was sweet, man!

Never heard of that one, but a movie called The Caine Mutiny is indeed pretty good

Platapus · 07-14-10, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fincuan

Never heard of that one, but a movie called The Caine Mutiny is indeed pretty good

So in addition to someone stealing the strawberrys, someone stole the letter "I"?

And I have proved this with geometric logic!

(rolling ball bearings in my hand)

Bilge_Rat · 07-14-10, 07:08 PM

Great movie, very loosely based on the november 44 Typhoon than sank 3 tin cans.

remember, these are 1957 special effects...just focus on the acting.

frau kaleun · 07-14-10, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fincuan

Never heard of that one, but a movie called The Caine Mutiny is indeed pretty good

Great performance by Bogart and also José Ferrer, who played the Navy lawyer defending the men accused of mutiny. Best bit IMO is when he crashes the celebratory party after their acquittal and tells them all off, then says that if anyone wants to take it up with him mano a mano he'll be outside waiting. Then he adds, "I'm drunk, so it'll be a fair fight."

But it's another movie that IMO suffers from the unfortunate inclusion of a "romantic" subplot which really seems to add nothing to it all and just bores me to tears every time they cut to those scenes. Don't know if it was in the book, if so and it worked there, I don't think they did a very good job of working it into the movie version.

Platapus · 07-14-10, 08:07 PM

Only because of my anal-retentive nature, the exact quote is

If you wanna do anything about it, I'll be outside. I'm a lot drunker than you are - so it'll be a fair fight.

yeah, I know, this why I have no friends.

frau kaleun · 07-14-10, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Only because of my anal-retentive nature, the exact quote is

If you wanna do anything about it, I'll be outside. I'm a lot drunker than you are - so it'll be a fair fight.

yeah, I know, this why I have no friends.

Dammit I knew I shoulda looked it up to be sure.

But hey at least I remembered it was José and not Mel before I hit "Submit."

Platapus · 07-14-10, 08:50 PM

He also had an arm in a cast so that would have been an interesting fight.

Sailor Steve · 07-14-10, 09:24 PM

So has anyone besides Raptor1 and me read the book?

nikimcbee · 07-14-10, 09:49 PM

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Yes and yes. Didn't like it much.

Half of my family are smartasses, btw.

Now that's not what I heard! Mr BenAflakfan.....

My favorite part of the PTO, is the early part of the War, when it was still an even fight or the Japanese had the upper hand. I think it took a lot of courage to fight in those early days.

TLAM Strike · 07-14-10, 09:53 PM

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So has anyone besides Raptor1 and me read the book?

Its on my bookshelf but I have not yet read it.

I don't know when I'll find time to read it since I don't read as much as I did a year ago (no time). I kinda want to finish the mystery I reading then dropped to read The Bear and the Dragon.

07-14-10, 05:14 PM	#61
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	People who call it a minor side show and so on need to read a few good books on the subject. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Great movie, very loosely based on the november 44 Typhoon than sank 3 tin cans. remember, these are 1957 special effects...just focus on the acting. __________________

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Only because of my anal-retentive nature, the exact quote is If you wanna do anything about it, I'll be outside. I'm a lot drunker than you are - so it'll be a fair fight. yeah, I know, this why I have no friends. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	He also had an arm in a cast so that would have been an interesting fight. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	So has anyone besides Raptor1 and me read the book? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo