The fall of Europe as we know it.

[trekchu]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Are you reading with your eyes or like, using the force like Luke Skywalker? I'm talking about US concentration/extermination camps, as a German I'm sure you know what I mean when I talk about concentration camps, work camps and extermination camps. They are different things, you know.

And as much as I'd like to believe that European militaries have any kind of significance in the future, I am very sceptical that they will. It's just Finns and Greeks who have any real type of militaries based on a proper conscription, the rest of Europe has already chickened out.Through NATO US is able to give orders to any European nation that belongs to it. Already European NATO-countries are losing soldiers in the disastrous debacle that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are.

*forces himself to be polite*
Why yes, I do know the difference. As for insignificant and losses, US losses in Afghanistan would be even higher than they are now if our boys weren't there. Besides, in case you are even reading this: The US don't have conscription either! ( Yes, I know that it is just not used since the 70s ). Also, Germany still has it too.

EDIT: Further reading

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by trekchu

*forces himself to be polite*

Thanks.


Herring, caaalm yourself.

[Max2147]

Well, if the US wanted to take over Europe and put all its citizens in concentration camps, I suppose we might be able to do it. But....

WHY THE ******* WOULD WE WANT TO?!?!?!?!?

I mean, the US could invade Mexico tomorrow and exterminate its entire population. We could wipe out Australia with nukes. We could take over Uzbekistan, paint every one of their citizens green, and force them to dance the polka while making silly faces. But that doesn't mean we're about to do any of those things. It just makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.

[rubenandthejets]

The US could try to nuke Australia...but there is an awful lot of country to cover. Besides, who would happily go off and die in their silly wars if the Australians weren' around to mindlessly and unquestioningly jump on the US bandwagon?

The Canadians?

[August]

Originally Posted by Max2147

Well, if the US wanted to take over Europe and put all its citizens in concentration camps, I suppose we might be able to do it. But....

WHY THE ******* WOULD WE WANT TO?!?!?!?!?

I mean, the US could invade Mexico tomorrow and exterminate its entire population. We could wipe out Australia with nukes. We could take over Uzbekistan, paint every one of their citizens green, and force them to dance the polka while making silly faces. But that doesn't mean we're about to do any of those things. It just makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever.

You don't understand Max. Herring thinks we're doing all that stuff right now!

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by August

You don't understand Max. Herring thinks we're doing all that stuff right now!

Where can I go see the green Uzbeks? This is exciting!

Europeans have already been held on US camps without trial, jury or lawyer and been tortured there. How many such camps are out there in the world? Do you know exactly? These camps are just the "1.0 version", there will be a "2.0 version".

There is a long tradition of US using torture and also 'outsourcing' the use of torture, everyone knows this. Executions have also occured, either directly by US or by it's mercenaries.

Germans must feel pretty bad now that their great country has been reduced to a minion of USA in NATO. One would think that they'd be tired of taking orders from entities outside their own nation. But hey, maybe it's just that German slave mentality that Nietzche spoke about.

[HunterICX]

Someone took a O.D in paranoia pills.

HunterICX

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by clive bradbury

I know, August, but what I meant was that many people who say that they are Christians are actually stating that they believe in a god, as opposed to being atheist or agnostic. To all intents and purposes they are conducting their lives in a secular manner. By that I mean that they do not practise their religion in private, either, if you see what I mean.

Perhaps I'm not explaining my point too well, but I'm talking about the sort of person who would state 'christianity' as their religion in a survey, but no more read the bible or pray than I do. Maybe different in the US, as I stated at the start of my argument above, but that is very common over here. The main point being that religion does not play an active part in their lives, nor do they see it as a part of who they are as people. Obviously I am generalising, but do you see the idea?

What this means is that to view the number of Christians in the UK, as measured by the National Census, for example, is actually overstating the real numbers in practice (in both senses of that word), to the extent that the secularisation of the UK and Western Europe is highly likely to be far greater in reality than the statistics show.

Unfortunetly we make the unpleasant observation in the UK, Germany, Netherlands that second and third generations in immigrant families are MORE orthodox Islamic, and at least in case of the Turks in Germany: also are more pro-nationalistic towards their family's original home country and more hostile to their hosting country. That throws a huge shadow on the stories of successfully integrating immigrants who meanwhile even have become a real memeber of our communities - these people also exist, right. But to say they are the rule and to ignore the other side means to tell only a half truth, and to ignore the unpleasant other side, because it is not wanted.

We have had even sociological studies quoted or lnked to over the recent three forum-years, showing this trend. And it is no new trend, by all means. Westerners tend to massively overestimate the changing power and convincing attraciton of Western society, especially when it comes to Islam. mayb eit would work that way if two conditions would be fulfilled: first, no new foriegners would constantly come in, constantly reviving the Islamic roots and background of Muslim communities in the West. And second, practically all Muslim countries sending their people to us to settle here, do not stay out of ourt internal politics, but massively interfere with them in order to establish strong nationalistic presences in our societies, and to prevent their people fallng to apostacy. Again, espeically Turkey is guilty of this kind of interference, and does not even hide it. erdogan'S visit to Germany and his outrageous behavior, was a scandal for which he should have been kicked out very undiplomatically.

BTW, I always thought that you abandoned the second chess match of ours, and right now wanted to pull your leg by asking for your next move. But now I checked back the old thread, and to my surprise I see that it is me whose last move is missing. However, in my old protocol, I have entered one. Has the forum software made my reply to you disappearing, maybe during a lag when sending it (lags haunt me on this forum quite frequently, and more than just a few posting went lost that way)? Want to continue?
However, I apologize, since the fault seems to have been on my side, I just found out. I had no intention to abandon the match in silence and just leave you behind. Somehow the story just - disappeared from my mind.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=chess+match

And the earlier one, for the sake of completion.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=chess+match

Originally Posted by HunterICX

Someone took a O.D in paranoia pills.

HunterICX

Are you referring to the "all muslims are rats, let's exterminate them" - crowd?

[trekchu]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Germans must feel pretty bad now that their great country has been reduced to a minion of USA in NATO. One would think that they'd be tired of taking orders from entities outside their own nation. But hey, maybe it's just that German slave mentality that Nietzche spoke about.

WHAT THE *BlEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP* *BLEEEEEP* *BLEEEEEEP*?

Minions eh, so why didn't these minions send their troops to Iraq?

Originally Posted by trekchu

WHAT THE *BlEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP* *BLEEEEEP* *BLEEEEEEP*?

Minions eh, so why didn't these minions send their troops to Iraq?

Many did send, Germany sent troops to Afghanistan, and so did Finland.

Btw, don't burst a blood vessel, Germany will need all the blood it has to spill in USA's wars.

[Morts]

OTH, i find your comments hilarious:rotfl:
so much infact, that i cant take them serious

[trekchu]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Many did send, Germany sent troops to Afghanistan, and so did Finland.

Btw, don't burst a blood vessel, Germany will need all the blood it has to spill in USA's wars.

Yes, but not to Iraq. Essentially we told the Americans to go f**k themselves when they asked for German troops for Iraq. It is highly unlikely we will follow the Americans into any more wars.

Originally Posted by Morts

OTH, i find your comments hilarious:rotfl:
so much infact, that i cant take them serious

Well if you like good humour, here's a real Danish nature specialist, he is Danish like Morts. For all the non-Danish speakers, he speaks real Danish.



Funny stuff, eh?