Georgian solders "borrowed" by Russian troops - Page 5

08-20-08, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

15000 aircraft to Russia

of all types

agaist 41000 of a single type IL-2 plane.

But there were also Yak, La, Mig, Polikarpov fighters,
Petljakov, Tupolev, Sukhoy bombers
Petljakov recon planes
and lots of other flying stuff.

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Lend-lease aircraft amounted to 18% of all aircraft in the Soviet air forces

18% you would not have had
Maybe enough to save you @ss

Not counting all trains\food\ammo etc
Read links I post

Open you eyes and take blinkers off

Digital_Trucker · 08-20-08, 02:14 PM

Just curious, but if the Russian factories made so many airplanes, why was it that they needed any from anywhere else?

08-20-08, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Just curious, but if the Russian factories made so many airplanes, why was it that they needed any from anywhere else?

They shot down too easy :rotfl:

AVGWarhawk · 08-20-08, 02:22 PM

All right gents....obviously Bruno has a different opinion and I'm sure with good reason. Let's not gang up on him and make everyone all defensive. Discuss it like scholars.

Like I stated, I have read books describing the battles in the east as some of the most brutal in the war. These are books that sit on the shelves because most are interested in the western front and go unoticed. Never really discussed.

Bruno Lotse · 08-20-08, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Reise

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Just curious, but if the Russian factories made so many airplanes, why was it that they needed any from anywhere else?

They shot down too easy :rotfl:

Americans were trading their technology for Russian fighting prowess.
You see Americans were afraid to fight strong Wehrmacht.
US Army was waiting till the Red Army would kill enough German men to make D-day happen.
In the meantime, Brits and the 8th AirForce were killing German women and kids.

Everyone contributed to destroy Hitler in its own way.

Dowly · 08-20-08, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

All right gents....obviously Bruno has a different opinion and I'm sure with good reason. Let's not gang up on him and make everyone all defensive. Discuss it like scholars.

Like I stated, I have read books describing the battles in the east as some of the most brutal in the war. These are books that sit on the shelves because most are interested in the western front and go unoticed. Never really discussed.

We arent ganging up on him.

Opinion is one thing, but twisting historical facts is another.

Bruno Lotse · 08-20-08, 02:27 PM

Guys,
check out documentary series 'The Unknown War'

It's American made using original WW2 Russian footage.
It will give you some perspective from 'a Russian point of view'
on what was going at that time.

Dowly · 08-20-08, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

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Originally Posted by Reise

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Just curious, but if the Russian factories made so many airplanes, why was it that they needed any from anywhere else?

They shot down too easy :rotfl:

Americans were trading their technology for Russian fighting prowess.
You see Americans were afraid to fight strong Wehrmacht.
US Army were waiting till the Red Army would kill German men.
In the meantime the 8th AirForce were killing German women and kids.

Soviet soldiers had no choice. If you were a soldier of the Red Army, the only way you could go and MAYBE stay alive was forward.

And may I just point out that the Soviet troops werent any better.

Bruno Lotse · 08-20-08, 02:37 PM

Don't lecture Soviets how to fight.
They won't accept advices from traitors and eventually their own patcy - Finland.
1944 Lapland war.

Digital_Trucker · 08-20-08, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Discuss it like scholars.

Like the following?

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Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Americans were trading their technology for Russian fighting prowess.
You see Americans were afraid to fight strong Wehrmacht.
US Army were waiting till the Red Army would kill German men.
In the meantime the 8th AirForce were killing German women and kids.

I guess I need to go back and read some more history.

Bruno Lotse · 08-20-08, 02:41 PM

Yeah, read history about German civil population losses (i.e. women, kids, elderly)
because of Allied bombings.

And to flavour up read about civil population losses in Tokyo bombings in spring 1945, Hiroshima, Nagasaki...

Read it.

Dowly · 08-20-08, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Don't lecture Soviets how to fight.
They won't accept advices from traitors and eventually their own patcy - Finland.
1944 Lapland war.

I wonder how many times you try to bait me with this one.

I'm happy knowing the truth and how things went, unlike you.

August · 08-20-08, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

I guess I need to go back and read some more history.

When you do ignore anything that talks about the North African or Italian campaigns. Also ignore the entire battle of the Atlantic. If you get this kid believing that the Soviets didn't actually win WW2 singlehandedly Putin might have him sent to a gulag for "reeducation".

Dowly · 08-20-08, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Yeah, read history about German civil population losses (i.e. women, kids, elderly)
because of Allied bombing.
Read it.

And you read who gave most of the info of Dresden being a full of military equipment & personnel.

AVGWarhawk · 08-20-08, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Discuss it like scholars.

Like the following?

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Originally Posted by Bruno Lotse

Americans were trading their technology for Russian fighting prowess.
You see Americans were afraid to fight strong Wehrmacht.
US Army were waiting till the Red Army would kill German men.
In the meantime the 8th AirForce were killing German women and kids.

I guess I need to go back and read some more history.

1. Americans trading tech for fighting prowess.
We would need some proof on that statement. A two front war would weaken German quickly resource wise as we have witnessed.
2. Amerians afraid to fight strong Wehrmacht.
Again, need proof. I do not see this as a valid statement.
3. US Army waiting for the Red Army to take out Germans.
Not so, Soviets started with the cold shoulder starting with Dolittles using Soviet bases for his bombing mission over Germany. There was much political maneuvering at the time.
4. 8th Airforce killing women and children.
Perhaps but not intentional. Our precision bombing raids were not that precise. Not to mention the factories were inside the city limits. There are going to be casualties.

08-20-08, 02:14 PM	#62
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Just curious, but if the Russian factories made so many airplanes, why was it that they needed any from anywhere else? __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

08-20-08, 02:22 PM	#64
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	All right gents....obviously Bruno has a different opinion and I'm sure with good reason. Let's not gang up on him and make everyone all defensive. Discuss it like scholars. Like I stated, I have read books describing the battles in the east as some of the most brutal in the war. These are books that sit on the shelves because most are interested in the western front and go unoticed. Never really discussed. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

08-20-08, 02:27 PM	#67
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 480 Uploads: 0	Guys, check out documentary series 'The Unknown War' It's American made using original WW2 Russian footage. It will give you some perspective from 'a Russian point of view' on what was going at that time. __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen.

08-20-08, 02:37 PM	#69
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 480 Uploads: 0	Don't lecture Soviets how to fight. They won't accept advices from traitors and eventually their own patcy - Finland. 1944 Lapland war. __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen.

08-20-08, 02:41 PM	#71
Bruno Lotse Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: HMCS Toronto (K 538) Posts: 385 Downloads: 480 Uploads: 0	Yeah, read history about German civil population losses (i.e. women, kids, elderly) because of Allied bombings. And to flavour up read about civil population losses in Tokyo bombings in spring 1945, Hiroshima, Nagasaki... Read it. __________________ Wie einst Lili Marleen.