Silent Hunter 4: Wolves of the Pacific U-Boat Mission Gamespot QA - Page 5

DeepIron · 11-20-07, 02:54 PM

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No the 1.4 patch is a seperate download. The U-boat add on, as stated earlier in this thread, will upgrade your install to version 1.5

Which is totally ludicrious IMO... A patch is a patch... It makes sense for 1.4 to be released separately, this is how it's normally done...

If Ubi are going to make further changes to the game core code, call it patch 1.5 and require it to be purchased as part of some "fantasy add-on"... that's silly, lousy marketing or just an unfortunate naming convention...

John Channing · 11-20-07, 03:39 PM

This was an unofficial comment on an unofficial website made in an unofficial manner in response to an unofficial question.

Good Lord... it is amazing to me that the Developers post at all!

JCC

DeepIron · 11-20-07, 04:20 PM

No worries John, it's an "unofficial opinion"...

Hopefully, the devs would look at some of the opinions/critisisms expressed in these and other forums and consider their validity... After all, it's a niche market at best and this kind of candid dialogue is the stuff "marketers dreams are made of"... Marketing depts pay good money for this kind of info/cr*p/opinion/drek... lol....

John Channing · 11-20-07, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepIron

No worries John, it's an "unofficial opinion"...

Hopefully, the devs would look at some of the opinions/critisisms expressed in these and other forums and consider their validity... After all, it's a niche market at best and this kind of candid dialogue is the stuff "marketers dreams are made of"... Marketing depts pay good money for this kind of info/cr*p/opinion/drek... lol....

They always have in the past. I see no reason for it to change.

JCC

AVGWarhawk · 11-20-07, 07:23 PM

A patch is exactly that, a patch. It fixes a game that was purchased. Patches are free because they are repair a broken game. Sometimes you get some bonus material.

Add-on is a totally different ball of wax. Sometimes free as seen with IL2 and sometimes out there for purchase, also seen with IL2.

CCIP · 11-20-07, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

A patch is exactly that, a patch. It fixes a game that was purchased. Patches are free because they are repair a broken game. Sometimes you get some bonus material.

Add-on is a totally different ball of wax. Sometimes free as seen with IL2 and sometimes out there for purchase, also seen with IL2.

Indeed, the content difference is pretty big. Otherwise you're confusing "version number" and "patch" here. It's the same way IL-2 went through many version numbers, even though technically many of these versions had actually been commercial add-ons and you could only get have that version or above if you had the said add-on in your install. It's just a convenient way to label things, that's all.

This by the way also confirms that the add-on is definitely an add-on and not a stand-alone, which should be a relief actually. Means that it's probably gonna be priced accordingly.

Ducimus · 11-20-07, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AngusJS

Would "deathmatches" be feasible between the American and German subs? The XXI had active sonar and acoustic homing torpedoes, right? Did any US subs have comparable capabilities?

I know it's silly and ahistorical, but still.

Unlike Hunt for red october or U-571, the only way a sub vs sub action could occur, is if one caught the other on the surface, unawares. Submerged action would be impossible. Where are you going to get your torpedo solution from? Certainly not active sonar. Both did have homing torpedo's, at least i know the allies did in the from of the "cutie" air dropped torpedo. Quite nasty, shame they didnt model that in Sh3.

scrag · 11-20-07, 08:07 PM

There were a few recorded instances of sub vs sub action - submerged. One case was towards the end of the war when a Brit detected, fired on and sank a submerged U-Boat. This was obviously very rare but in fact did happen. How they did it was to plot bearings over a course of time and developed a solution much like today's TMA techniques. Using a spread of six fiish solved for inaccuracies in the solution. What was hard though was guessing the depth, which the Brits did manage to do.

CCIP · 11-20-07, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by scrag

There were a few recorded instances of sub vs sub action - submerged. One case was towards the end of the war when a Brit detected, fired on and sank a submerged U-Boat. This was obviously very rare but in fact did happen. How they did it was to plot bearings over a course of time and developed a solution much like today's TMA techniques. Using a spread of six fiish solved for inaccuracies in the solution. What was hard though was guessing the depth, which the Brits did manage to do.

Actually this particular case was also visual - as I recall, the Germans' "terrible periscope drill" was quoted. The sub was at periscope depth when it was struck, which would not have been very difficult to do. I suppose the brits had enough to go by from the periscope sightings and the sound bearings. I think the attack also took place in a fairly confined area just off Bergen, and the Brits knew the sub was coming after being aleterted by intelligence. So it was certainly more of a pre-planned ambush on an unsuspecting U-boat than a sub to sub battle as such.

THE_MASK · 11-20-07, 09:37 PM

If you can call in search planes then i would hope that i can also call in a resupply tender .

CCIP · 11-20-07, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

If you can call in search planes then i would hope that i can also call in a resupply tender .

Maybe you can call in resupply planes - they drop crates and oil barrels on you. And then you have to pick them up the same way you pick up downed pilots in SHIV :rotfl:

scrag · 11-21-07, 12:21 AM

Here is the link courtesy of the Ubaot.net. Yes it is an the isolated incident but in fact did occur. I saw it also on the History Channel I think.
http://uboat.net/boats/u864.htm

U-864

Type

IXD2

Laid down15 Oct, 1942AG Weser, BremenCommissioned9 Dec, 1943Korvkpt. Ralf-Reimar WolframCommanders9 Dec, 1943 - 9 Feb, 1945 KrvKpt. Ralf-Reimar WolframCareer1 patrol9 Dec, 1943 - 31 Oct, 1944 4. Flottille (training)
1 Nov, 1944 - 9 Feb, 1945 33. Flottille (front boat)
SuccessesNo ships sunk or damagedFateSunk 9 Feb, 1945 in the North Sea west of Bergen, Norway, in position 60.46N, 04.35E, by torpedoes from the British submarine HMS Venturer. 73 dead (all hands lost).

On 9 Feb, 1945 the British submarine HMS Venturer, commanded by James S. Launders, torpedoed and sank this boat. This is the only known incident in all of naval warfare in which one submarine sinks another while both are submerged.
Schnorchel-fitted U-boat
This boat was fitted with a Schnorchel underwater-breathing apparatus in October 1944. Read more about the Schnorchel and see list of fitted boats.
Annoucements related to this boat
U-864 not fully located yet? (3 Mar, 2007)
U-864 in the news again (21 Dec, 2006)
U-864 off Norway - wreck photos! (6 Oct, 2005)
U-864 possibly raised off Norway (9 Jun, 2005)
U-864 recovery plans due on May 20th (5 Mar, 2005)
U-864 discovered by Norwegian vessel KNM Tyr (21 Oct, 2003)

CCIP · 11-21-07, 01:17 AM

Yes, that's the one I meant - I just forgot the number

Mind you, so far as I can recall, my description of the accident is otherwise accurate. It's really more a case of a prepared ambush than a sub vs. sub battle as such - I think what most people want would be not so much ambushing but fighting each other, dodging torpedoes etc, which was hardly possible.

Besides the fact that the U-864 was at periscope depth, the attack otherwise fits the pattern of the very effective ASW operations that the British (uniquely among WWII nations, I think) conducted with their submarines. The British accounted for most of the submarine on submarine kills that have been made to date - but again, this is a matter of ambush attacks, not "knife fights"

mrbeast · 11-21-07, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

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Originally Posted by sober

If you can call in search planes then i would hope that i can also call in a resupply tender .

Maybe you can call in resupply planes - they drop crates and oil barrels on you. And then you have to pick them up the same way you pick up downed pilots in SHIV :rotfl:

Maybe they could leave power ups floating on the sea so all you have to do is sail over them and.....POW!....more fuel....BAM.....double strength torpedos etc etc kinda Super Mario stylee! :rotfl:

Julhelm · 11-22-07, 05:50 PM

Perhaps some of the historical accuracy freaks should think back to sometime in the mid 80's when we all started out with Silent Service and think about how advanced and realistic it really was?

To me, this addon sounds like a lot of fun given the what-if possibilities.

11-20-07, 04:20 PM	#63
DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No worries John, it's an "unofficial opinion"... Hopefully, the devs would look at some of the opinions/critisisms expressed in these and other forums and consider their validity... After all, it's a niche market at best and this kind of candid dialogue is the stuff "marketers dreams are made of"... Marketing depts pay good money for this kind of info/cr*p/opinion/drek... lol.... __________________ RFB / RSRDC Beta Tester RFB / RSRDC Modding Forum: http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php RFB Top Post link: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=125529 RFB Loadout: RFB_V1.52_102408: RFB_V1.52_Patch_111608: RSRDC_RFBv15_V396

11-20-07, 07:23 PM	#65
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	A patch is exactly that, a patch. It fixes a game that was purchased. Patches are free because they are repair a broken game. Sometimes you get some bonus material. Add-on is a totally different ball of wax. Sometimes free as seen with IL2 and sometimes out there for purchase, also seen with IL2. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-20-07, 08:07 PM	#68
scrag Medic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Posts: 161 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Actually not so impossible There were a few recorded instances of sub vs sub action - submerged. One case was towards the end of the war when a Brit detected, fired on and sank a submerged U-Boat. This was obviously very rare but in fact did happen. How they did it was to plot bearings over a course of time and developed a solution much like today's TMA techniques. Using a spread of six fiish solved for inaccuracies in the solution. What was hard though was guessing the depth, which the Brits did manage to do. __________________

11-21-07, 12:21 AM	#72
scrag Medic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Posts: 161 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Submerged U Boat Vs Submerged Brit Here is the link courtesy of the Ubaot.net. Yes it is an the isolated incident but in fact did occur. I saw it also on the History Channel I think. http://uboat.net/boats/u864.htm U-864 Type IXD2 Laid down15 Oct, 1942AG Weser, BremenCommissioned9 Dec, 1943Korvkpt. Ralf-Reimar WolframCommanders9 Dec, 1943 - 9 Feb, 1945 KrvKpt. Ralf-Reimar WolframCareer1 patrol9 Dec, 1943 - 31 Oct, 1944 4. Flottille (training) 1 Nov, 1944 - 9 Feb, 1945 33. Flottille (front boat) SuccessesNo ships sunk or damagedFateSunk 9 Feb, 1945 in the North Sea west of Bergen, Norway, in position 60.46N, 04.35E, by torpedoes from the British submarine HMS Venturer. 73 dead (all hands lost). On 9 Feb, 1945 the British submarine HMS Venturer, commanded by James S. Launders, torpedoed and sank this boat. This is the only known incident in all of naval warfare in which one submarine sinks another while both are submerged. Schnorchel-fitted U-boat This boat was fitted with a Schnorchel underwater-breathing apparatus in October 1944. Read more about the Schnorchel and see list of fitted boats. Annoucements related to this boat U-864 not fully located yet? (3 Mar, 2007) U-864 in the news again (21 Dec, 2006) U-864 off Norway - wreck photos! (6 Oct, 2005) U-864 possibly raised off Norway (9 Jun, 2005) U-864 recovery plans due on May 20th (5 Mar, 2005) U-864 discovered by Norwegian vessel KNM Tyr (21 Oct, 2003) __________________

11-21-07, 01:17 AM	#73
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yes, that's the one I meant - I just forgot the number Mind you, so far as I can recall, my description of the accident is otherwise accurate. It's really more a case of a prepared ambush than a sub vs. sub battle as such - I think what most people want would be not so much ambushing but fighting each other, dodging torpedoes etc, which was hardly possible. Besides the fact that the U-864 was at periscope depth, the attack otherwise fits the pattern of the very effective ASW operations that the British (uniquely among WWII nations, I think) conducted with their submarines. The British accounted for most of the submarine on submarine kills that have been made to date - but again, this is a matter of ambush attacks, not "knife fights" __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

11-20-07, 03:39 PM	#62
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	This was an unofficial comment on an unofficial website made in an unofficial manner in response to an unofficial question. Good Lord... it is amazing to me that the Developers post at all! JCC

11-20-07, 09:37 PM	#70
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	If you can call in search planes then i would hope that i can also call in a resupply tender .

11-22-07, 05:50 PM	#75
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 693 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	Perhaps some of the historical accuracy freaks should think back to sometime in the mid 80's when we all started out with Silent Service and think about how advanced and realistic it really was? To me, this addon sounds like a lot of fun given the what-if possibilities.