Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2 - Page 481

Catfish · 04-15-25, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

I seems clear that Trump is missing some furniture in the attic
Markus

That.

But I suspect he does not remember what he said yesterday anyway.

mapuc · 04-16-25, 07:17 AM

Markus

Jimbuna · 04-16-25, 09:49 AM

Jimbuna · 04-16-25, 09:53 AM

Dargo · 04-16-25, 11:05 AM

Trump: "I don't want to allocate any more funds to help Ukraine's defence, Ukraine must pay, it's about our money."
Ukraine: "Okay, we want to buy Patriot units, we need to save lives from Russian missiles, and we're paying, deal?"
Trump: "No, not like that, I'm not selling you anything either, you just surrender and die already, it's not about money."

What is the art of the deal doing?

Dargo · 04-16-25, 11:36 AM

Jimbuna · 04-16-25, 12:36 PM

August · 04-16-25, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dargo

Trump: "I don't want to allocate any more funds to help Ukraine's defence, Ukraine must pay, it's about our money."
Ukraine: "Okay, we want to buy Patriot units, we need to save lives from Russian missiles, and we're paying, deal?"
Trump: "No, not like that, I'm not selling you anything either, you just surrender and die already, it's not about money."

What is the art of the deal doing?

So I'm guessing that you're paraphrasing here. It's not actual quotes as your "" symbols would imply correct?

mapuc · 04-16-25, 01:56 PM

Should one believe all this, which are being said in the video ?

Markus

Skybird · 04-16-25, 03:05 PM

^ True seems to be that Ukraine's most important weapons are drones, and that it had brought them to very innovative AI use, building at least sufficient numbers of them so that they can errect and maintain what one observer described as "flying walls of drones" against which the Russian ground forces on attack have no chance to break through. You cannot hide your preparations of an offensive anymore, you cannot readying and amassing ground forces for an offensive anymore, and you cannot conduct the offensive anymore. This will not change until the Russians found a way to jam the drones out of the sky. Which is difficult if they are controlled via fibre/wire... Local EMPs may be a way.

This way, Ukraine cannot win the war, but so can'T Russia, as long as Ukraine can maintain the production number of drones, which maybe makes drones more important than air defenses now.

On the other hand, Russia still can hold out with its current loss ratios for another 2-3 years, estimated Colonel Reisner just recently, because it needs not to fight and maintain its army all alone and all by itself. It gets troops, material, ammo, weapons from its befriended "allies".

I expect that Trump will try to stop the trade into Ukraine of materials and ressources it needs to keep its drones and weapon production running. For this he will try to press the EU, and others. For me it is clear that Trump wants Ukraine to be defeated and surrender unconditionally.

Jimbuna · 04-17-25, 11:49 AM

Jimbuna · 04-17-25, 11:51 AM

Reece · 04-18-25, 12:28 AM

Skybird · 04-18-25, 03:44 AM

Zelenskji recently called out China over Chinese prisoners the Ukrainians caught.

Ukraine builds its drones itself to big shares, but itg builds them with many parts made in China.

Food for thought. And worry.

Reece · 04-18-25, 04:03 AM

I think Europe should be building a lot more nukes.

04-16-25, 07:17 AM	#7202
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04-16-25, 09:53 AM	#7204
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04-16-25, 01:56 PM	#7209
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,545 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Should one believe all this, which are being said in the video ? Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

04-16-25, 03:05 PM	#7210
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,694 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ True seems to be that Ukraine's most important weapons are drones, and that it had brought them to very innovative AI use, building at least sufficient numbers of them so that they can errect and maintain what one observer described as "flying walls of drones" against which the Russian ground forces on attack have no chance to break through. You cannot hide your preparations of an offensive anymore, you cannot readying and amassing ground forces for an offensive anymore, and you cannot conduct the offensive anymore. This will not change until the Russians found a way to jam the drones out of the sky. Which is difficult if they are controlled via fibre/wire... Local EMPs may be a way. This way, Ukraine cannot win the war, but so can'T Russia, as long as Ukraine can maintain the production number of drones, which maybe makes drones more important than air defenses now. On the other hand, Russia still can hold out with its current loss ratios for another 2-3 years, estimated Colonel Reisner just recently, because it needs not to fight and maintain its army all alone and all by itself. It gets troops, material, ammo, weapons from its befriended "allies". I expect that Trump will try to stop the trade into Ukraine of materials and ressources it needs to keep its drones and weapon production running. For this he will try to press the EU, and others. For me it is clear that Trump wants Ukraine to be defeated and surrender unconditionally. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-17-25, 11:49 AM	#7211
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,788 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-17-25, 11:51 AM	#7212
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,788 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-18-25, 12:28 AM	#7213
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04-18-25, 03:44 AM	#7214
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,694 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Zelenskji recently called out China over Chinese prisoners the Ukrainians caught. Ukraine builds its drones itself to big shares, but itg builds them with many parts made in China. Food for thought. And worry. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-18-25, 04:03 AM	#7215
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,759 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	I think Europe should be building a lot more nukes. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*