What's up with London? (riots, merged)

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

No, the governement says they gave the green light to use extra levels of force, the police said we can do that anyway but the situation doesn't merit it.

So, the police is stil smarter than the goverment

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by Betonov

So, the police is stil smarter than the goverment

A monkey is smarter than our current government

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by BossMark

A monkey is smarter than our current government

[Castout]

I believe UK riots point that many youths are feeling a sense of detachment from society and from their own government. They may feel that they are not a part of the society or British state in general. They may harbor a deep sense of resentment towards authorities and loath authorities because basically they feel they are shut out. This raises a question what happens to their immediate communities: school, family and neighborhoods. People feel that they are part of a society when they receive social benefits from it in the form of love, relationships, care, nurture, etc and able to contribute back to it be it in the form of time, effort and or financially.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Castout

feeling a sense of detachment from society and from their own government. They may feel that they are not a part of the society or [...] state in general. They may harbor a deep sense of resentment towards authorities and loath authorities because basically they feel they are shut out.

I don't know about the British rioters, but you gave a good description of me.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Penguin

I don't know about the British rioters, but you gave a good description of me.

. Nah you're not. If you were you wouldn't be even actively socializing on subsim

Do you have a mask? Do you consider yourself a good thrower? Have you ever mugged someone? Do you have a perversion with HD-ready flat panel TV? Just to make sure LOL.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Castout

. Nah you're not. If you were you wouldn't be even actively socializing on subsim

Do you have a mask? Do you consider yourself a good thrower? Have you ever mugged someone? Do you have a perversion with HD-ready flat panel TV? Just to make sure LOL.

Sounds like a job for HunterICX's pal "V"

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Sounds like a job for HunterICX's pal "V"

wooooooooo

I've watched the movie about five times now and only after seeing this link I saw that almost all of his words start with V

[August]

I'm just speculating here but perhaps the reason these hoodlums feel "shut out" is because Europeans wear their alienation from the state like a badge of honor. Hating ones country is almost a rite of passage if what's written on this forum is any indication of your true feelings.

After all how many times have we read how you don't feel any loyalty to your homeland? That you don't feel your representatives represent you? That your government is some evil organization designed to bleed you dry?

Well country is basically another word for community and if todays youth are trashing their own community then perhaps it's because they've been told all their lives not to have any respect or loyalty towards it.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

I'm just speculating here but perhaps the reason these hoodlums feel "shut out" is because Europeans wear their alienation from the state like a badge of honor. Hating ones country is almost a rite of passage if what's written on this forum is any indication of your true feelings.

After all how many times have we read how you don't feel any loyalty to your homeland? That you don't feel your representatives represent you? That your government is some evil organization designed to bleed you dry?

Well country is basically another word for community and if todays youth are trashing their own community then perhaps it's because they've been told all their lives not to have any respect or loyalty towards it.

That points at a truth, I think. 'Butquestzion must be asked why it is that the youth does not love its country. Several answers that are neither a compliment to their families as well as to their countries (and their societies), must be taken into account.

For loyalty to a country is something the country cannot expect to be given, or declare a duty by birth, but must be deserved. Which in return means the poersonb expoected to show thjat loyalty must live with personal "code" that in principle is compatible in vlaues with what that country's culture stands for. And if you ask the opening question again on this detail, you also have to take into account differences in ideological backgrounds between person/family, and country. That can express itself in the soical split between social low classe getting left behind, and the rich, as well as the ideological/cultural backgrounds of migrants and the new hosting society they have arrived in.

I don'T say or think you are wriong, you point at the right direction, and I feel what you try to express between the written lines. I agree with that (if I sensed you right). I just think you do not ask far/deep enough.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by August

I'm just speculating here but perhaps the reason these hoodlums feel "shut out" is because Europeans wear their alienation from the state like a badge of honor. Hating ones country is almost a rite of passage if what's written on this forum is any indication of your true feelings.

Because we don't follow the eagle up Pluto's behind, when the eagle is a blood covered piece of junk with made in china stamp on it

After all how many times have we read how you don't feel any loyalty to your homeland? That you don't feel your representatives represent you? That your government is some evil organization designed to bleed you dry?

That's like, you know, the truth. When my taxes will be spent on creating a stable economy, a modern infrastructure and a legal system we can be proud of, then I'll believe the goverment won't bleed me dry.

Well country is basically another word for community and if todays youth are trashing their own community then perhaps it's because they've been told all their lives not to have any respect or loyalty towards it.

No, comunity is a place where you live, where your fammily is, where your friends are, favourite pubs etc. etc. and it can extend beyond borders. Subsim is a comunity, but it's no country. A country is also no comunity. I don't pay taxes to my community to be syphoned by community leaders.

And when it comes to loyalty, I'm not a dog.

Now excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom and wipe my arse with our flag. It's nice and silky soft for my hemeroids.

[Skybird]

I want to throw in the riminder that blind loyalty that is not critical of existing or lacking quality of nations, most of the time leads to aggressive totalitarian nations, or isolated societies-inside-societies (for example the military).

Uncritical loyalty NEVER is good. You should not even be like that within your family - if your family member in question is a mass murderer, then at the very latest you should get doubts. Trust, loyalty, toleraance, freedom - all these qualities need limits and need a constant critical monitoring, else they can become tools of abuse.

[August]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Because we don't follow the eagle up Pluto's behind, when the eagle is a blood covered piece of junk with made in china stamp on it

I wasn't talking about my country I was talking about yours. Is your sense of community that weak that you must project your hatred of mine into everything?

That's like, you know, the truth. When my taxes will be spent on creating a stable economy, a modern infrastructure and a legal system we can be proud of, then I'll believe the goverment won't bleed me dry.

So your solution to that is what? Sit around and whine about better countries while you wait for yours to hand you something you won't try to create yourself?

Now excuse me, I have to go to the bathroom and wipe my arse with our flag. It's nice and silky soft for my hemeroids.

It's your flag and your country so do as you please.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I just think you do not ask far/deep enough.

That's quite possible Sky.

[Castout]

In my opinion in general people are a lot worse than they used to.

There's a stark lack of empathy and compassion and common sense. People are rude and selfish often to the extreme. There's no desire and less reason to be a good person only the pursuit of whatever desire they put into their mind: money, trinkets, sex, power or other things.

This may be due to a lack of social interaction and care within a person immediate environment: family and school. Maybe we have been too busy to be humane. Too pre-occupied to realize other people are like us. Too devoid of love that we can't give it. Too lacking of self awareness that we often forget how to be a decent human being or even why we need to be one. It is that self awareness that differentiates us and the animal kingdom. When people are lacking self-awareness they are reduced to just a being, basically an animal that lives, breathes and follows and a slave of his instinct or desires without the capability to contemplate his motives and actions.

Animals never contemplate, they just do hence they are under the mercy of pre-existing conditions. Animals may weigh different factors before doing but it is all based on their instinct like fear, euphoria, hunger, or greed.