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Nico71 · 09-26-05, 12:17 PM

I'd prefer to see a review! Or at least a public debate about it. Because this doesn't only happen with SH3 mods. People should be made aware of it.

X1Software · 09-27-05, 05:17 AM

X1Software assures that the add-on â€žSeawolves" contains no stolen software and no third-party rights were violated.

The use of every mod has been approved by the respective developer.

All modified sound files were made by the company http://www.incognito-soundworks.com and have been licensed properly!

To be frank, we are tired of getting denounced from anonymous persons here. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, but rather with the intention of damaging our business. Interestingly enough, the people responsible do not appear with their correct names and addresses, surely because they are afraid of a civil lawsuit or criminal prosecution.

Please do not let yourself be influenced by those devious and cowardly persons. We are more than prepared to face any adversary in court.

X1Software

Steffen Trombke
http://www.x1software.com
steffen.trombke@x1software.com

The Avon Lady · 09-27-05, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X1Software

X1Software assures that the add-on â€žSeawolves" contains no stolen software and no third-party rights were violated.

The use of every mod has been approved by the respective developer.

All modified sound files were made by the company http://www.incognito-soundworks.com and have been licensed properly!

To be frank, we are tired of getting denounced from anonymous persons here. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, but rather with the intention of damaging our business. Interestingly enough, the people responsible do not appear with their correct names and addresses, surely because they are afraid of a civil lawsuit or criminal prosecution.

Please do not let yourself be influenced by those devious and cowardly persons. We are more than prepared to face any adversary in court.

X1Software

Steffen Trombke
http://www.x1software.com
steffen.trombke@x1software.com

Folks, please note Nico71's updated accusation of X1's ongoing piracy.

Justin Prince · 09-27-05, 07:21 AM

Note to self..... asking modders to sell their stuff and thinking about asking them to sell their stuff are two different things..... OOOPS

HundertzehnGustav · 09-27-05, 10:01 AM

*We are more than prepared to face any adversary in court. *

and in the streets? The world is big, and there are many dark corners.
At least you make clear who you are this time, instead of hiding under a nik (ossi) or something....

i gotta give you credit for that.

Legal hairsplitting about wether you are "right" by the definition or you made a mistake... I dont like the way you handle all this.

90 per cent of the users here think similar of you (correct me if not),
i wouldnt even bother coming over here...

It is like asking for trouble and getting the boot.

Gairith · 09-28-05, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X1Software

X1Software assures that the add-on â€žSeawolves" contains no stolen software and no third-party rights were violated.

The use of every mod has been approved by the respective developer.

All modified sound files were made by the company http://www.incognito-soundworks.com and have been licensed properly!

To be frank, we are tired of getting denounced from anonymous persons here. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, but rather with the intention of damaging our business. Interestingly enough, the people responsible do not appear with their correct names and addresses, surely because they are afraid of a civil lawsuit or criminal prosecution.

Please do not let yourself be influenced by those devious and cowardly persons. We are more than prepared to face any adversary in court.

X1Software

Steffen Trombke
http://www.x1software.com
steffen.trombke@x1software.com

No list of the modders and their mods that were approved for the add-on? You would think that anyone especially a company, would defend themselves with a full list of these things and not just a single link regarding sounds which really weren't in question. X1 probably doesn't have such a list having thrown out the previous list when they were caught red-handed and now have no clue what is really in there since they scrambled to pick out pieces at the last minute. A shoddy well done to you

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jasonb885 · 09-28-05, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X1Software

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To be frank, we are tired of getting denounced from anonymous persons here. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, but rather with the intention of damaging our business. Interestingly enough, the people responsible do not appear with their correct names and addresses, surely because they are afraid of a civil lawsuit or criminal prosecution.

Trombke, my tool, would you or your associates like to post any more pornography here?

Thanks for playing.

:rotfl:

The mere fact that you've resorted to posting here is rather hilarious. It indicates that even 'anonymous' threats from an Internet forum are causing you pain. Perhaps you aren't making the sales you wish your poorly developed payware mod would.

In any event, I have nothing to hide.

*goes to polish his X1 boycott sign*

John Channing · 09-29-05, 04:04 PM

While I may agree with the underlying sentiments being expressed here I need to remind everyone that name calling, threats of physical violence and other such silliness is not only beneath the people here but it is simply not allowed, regardless of who it is directed at.

Thanks

JCC

HundertzehnGustav · 09-30-05, 10:31 AM

Roger....

Seeadler · 10-01-05, 05:39 AM

In the official german SH3 forums, Ubisoft dissociates itself from this add-on and asks for no further discussions or advertisement about this product in that forums.

Wulfmann · 10-01-05, 11:59 AM

I know this will sound like I told you so, but the events are what they are.

Before X-1 there was a discussion about protecting SH3 freeware modes from payware add ons.
There were a number of suggestions.
I was new to SH3 then and while I have modded many things in SH3 I have not offered any other than to a few dozen people that asked for them via email.
But, I have been a CFS3 modder (The only way to make that decent is heavy modding) so I am aware of pirating.
There was a site that took all the CFS3 freeware mods and put them there for free but one had to pay a $20.00 a year membership fee to â€œcover bandwidthâ€
OK, fool me once!!
Here is what I added to all my downloads and not one has been pirated since:

Legal:
These missions and spawns are copyright original material and cannot be copied, altered or redistributed and are freeware for the single PC user that downloads these missions. They may not be offered by any other web site without paying Bob (Wulfmann) Ruff the sum of $100,000.00 US dollars.

(I wanted an amount that allowed for an attorney to make it worth while to cause his greed glands to salivate) LOL

When I suggested modders in SH3 add this I was condescendingly told no such drastic action was needed here, suggesting it was just not likely to go to such extremes..
I have not been pirated since I added this clause.
Seems like that can not be said here, can it!!!

So, what can the legal minds tell us regarding such a statement (or a better one) to protect further possible â€œpiratingâ€????

The community is better served by enjoying the game and improving it. Even if this situation was won and X-1 and all involved were hung, we the community would have been diminished by the fight.
We can not undo that.

But, we can make sure it can not happen again and adding an effective legal statement which prevents stealing/copying etc, would possibly avoid such a future depressing event; which is my point.

Wulfmann

Frenchie · 10-12-05, 10:43 AM

This is not quite how I imagined making my first post but meh. At present I am a college student doing filming and sound production. We have lengthy lectures to do with copyright issues because they are an absolutely littered minefield. The main issue people who have made mods for this game will have is proving they made them first. Forum records of dates they have been posted, file creation dates are usually not allowed because such things can be altered. For any work we produce and that we seriously want copyright protected we need to creat a hardcopy, have it recorded delivery to ourself so that dates and time are shown and then have a nice legal friend store it in their safe. That way if such an occurence as this happens, evidence is easily found and not easily controverted.

The main problem in such a case as this are the fees involved. because the case will drag on as ownership is debated the bills keep coming. In the case of the individual taking on a company if they don't win fees can be astronomic, if they don't beggar themselves before the case is through.

My main advice in this case is to produce an official letter from the community and send it to ubisoft and as many games websites, magazines and shops as possible explaining the situation; Advising that the majority of the market are not going to fork out money for such an 'expansion' and that 'the community hopes such an outstanding and honest company such as yourselves, (insert web, magazine or shop name here) will refrain from stocking said expansion.' I would also suggest, as the company is based in Germany, trying to find an address or website for the European Union's trading standards board (There must be such a thing, the EU's got it's fingers in everything else) and write to them also, seeing if they can bring any pressure to bear.

In the future, as has been mentioned, add a lengthy disclaimer to the websites which have these mods, saying they are not for resale, etc,etc. And make hardcopies of your work. It is worth doing it. If you want an example, The British seaman who designed the bow ramps for carriers did not recieve credit for his invention. He showed the designs to his CO who proceeded to claim the idea as his own. You never know when your work is going to be valuable.

Good luck to you. Quite frankly the situation stinks.

Pleasant voyages,

Frenchie

10-12-05, 07:50 PM

Who is the head of X1? Is it someone that fequents this forum?

mattius · 11-19-05, 01:06 PM

After reading all this I have just cancelled my order from Play.com!

The Avon Lady · 11-19-05, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattius

After reading all this I have just cancelled my order from Play.com!

Thank you. You seem to be new here. Welcome! If you need help with the myriad of available ****FREE**** great mods, just ask around. Lots of knowledgeable folks at SubSim.

09-27-05, 07:21 AM	#634
Justin Prince Seaman Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma, USA Posts: 36 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Note to self..... asking modders to sell their stuff and thinking about asking them to sell their stuff are two different things..... OOOPS __________________ Designer of War Plan Orange: Dreadnoughts in the Pacific 1922-1930.

09-27-05, 10:01 AM	#635
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	We are more than prepared to face any adversary in court. and in the streets? The world is big, and there are many dark corners. At least you make clear who you are this time, instead of hiding under a nik (ossi) or something.... i gotta give you credit for that. Legal hairsplitting about wether you are "right" by the definition or you made a mistake... I dont like the way you handle all this. 90 per cent of the users here think similar of you (correct me if not), i wouldnt even bother coming over here... It is like asking for trouble and getting the boot. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

09-30-05, 10:31 AM	#639
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Roger.... __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

10-01-05, 11:59 AM	#641
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I know this will sound like I told you so, but the events are what they are. Before X-1 there was a discussion about protecting SH3 freeware modes from payware add ons. There were a number of suggestions. I was new to SH3 then and while I have modded many things in SH3 I have not offered any other than to a few dozen people that asked for them via email. But, I have been a CFS3 modder (The only way to make that decent is heavy modding) so I am aware of pirating. There was a site that took all the CFS3 freeware mods and put them there for free but one had to pay a $20.00 a year membership fee to â€œcover bandwidthâ€ OK, fool me once!! Here is what I added to all my downloads and not one has been pirated since: Legal: These missions and spawns are copyright original material and cannot be copied, altered or redistributed and are freeware for the single PC user that downloads these missions. They may not be offered by any other web site without paying Bob (Wulfmann) Ruff the sum of $100,000.00 US dollars. (I wanted an amount that allowed for an attorney to make it worth while to cause his greed glands to salivate) LOL When I suggested modders in SH3 add this I was condescendingly told no such drastic action was needed here, suggesting it was just not likely to go to such extremes.. I have not been pirated since I added this clause. Seems like that can not be said here, can it!!! So, what can the legal minds tell us regarding such a statement (or a better one) to protect further possible â€œpiratingâ€???? The community is better served by enjoying the game and improving it. Even if this situation was won and X-1 and all involved were hung, we the community would have been diminished by the fight. We can not undo that. But, we can make sure it can not happen again and adding an effective legal statement which prevents stealing/copying etc, would possibly avoid such a future depressing event; which is my point. Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

09-26-05, 12:17 PM	#631
Nico71 Medic Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 168 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	I'd prefer to see a review! Or at least a public debate about it. Because this doesn't only happen with SH3 mods. People should be made aware of it.

09-27-05, 05:17 AM	#632
X1Software Nub Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	X1Software assures that the add-on â€žSeawolves" contains no stolen software and no third-party rights were violated. The use of every mod has been approved by the respective developer. All modified sound files were made by the company http://www.incognito-soundworks.com and have been licensed properly! To be frank, we are tired of getting denounced from anonymous persons here. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, but rather with the intention of damaging our business. Interestingly enough, the people responsible do not appear with their correct names and addresses, surely because they are afraid of a civil lawsuit or criminal prosecution. Please do not let yourself be influenced by those devious and cowardly persons. We are more than prepared to face any adversary in court. X1Software Steffen Trombke http://www.x1software.com steffen.trombke@x1software.com

09-29-05, 04:04 PM	#638
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	While I may agree with the underlying sentiments being expressed here I need to remind everyone that name calling, threats of physical violence and other such silliness is not only beneath the people here but it is simply not allowed, regardless of who it is directed at. Thanks JCC

10-01-05, 05:39 AM	#640
Seeadler Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,096 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	In the official german SH3 forums, Ubisoft dissociates itself from this add-on and asks for no further discussions or advertisement about this product in that forums.

10-12-05, 10:43 AM	#642
Frenchie Watch Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 21 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This is not quite how I imagined making my first post but meh. At present I am a college student doing filming and sound production. We have lengthy lectures to do with copyright issues because they are an absolutely littered minefield. The main issue people who have made mods for this game will have is proving they made them first. Forum records of dates they have been posted, file creation dates are usually not allowed because such things can be altered. For any work we produce and that we seriously want copyright protected we need to creat a hardcopy, have it recorded delivery to ourself so that dates and time are shown and then have a nice legal friend store it in their safe. That way if such an occurence as this happens, evidence is easily found and not easily controverted. The main problem in such a case as this are the fees involved. because the case will drag on as ownership is debated the bills keep coming. In the case of the individual taking on a company if they don't win fees can be astronomic, if they don't beggar themselves before the case is through. My main advice in this case is to produce an official letter from the community and send it to ubisoft and as many games websites, magazines and shops as possible explaining the situation; Advising that the majority of the market are not going to fork out money for such an 'expansion' and that 'the community hopes such an outstanding and honest company such as yourselves, (insert web, magazine or shop name here) will refrain from stocking said expansion.' I would also suggest, as the company is based in Germany, trying to find an address or website for the European Union's trading standards board (There must be such a thing, the EU's got it's fingers in everything else) and write to them also, seeing if they can bring any pressure to bear. In the future, as has been mentioned, add a lengthy disclaimer to the websites which have these mods, saying they are not for resale, etc,etc. And make hardcopies of your work. It is worth doing it. If you want an example, The British seaman who designed the bow ramps for carriers did not recieve credit for his invention. He showed the designs to his CO who proceeded to claim the idea as his own. You never know when your work is going to be valuable. Good luck to you. Quite frankly the situation stinks. Pleasant voyages, Frenchie

10-12-05, 07:50 PM	#643
SubSerpent Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Who is the head of X1? Is it someone that fequents this forum?

11-19-05, 01:06 PM	#644
mattius Watch Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 25 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	After reading all this I have just cancelled my order from Play.com!