50 Years of Doctor Who - Page 40

Betonov · 08-15-15, 05:41 AM

Jenna Coleman still has a disproportionately large head compared to her body.

Jimbuna · 08-15-15, 09:36 AM

Can't really say up to now but I'm not a Peter Capaldi fan.

STEED · 08-15-15, 10:51 AM

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Can't really say up to now but I'm not a Peter Capaldi fan.

Cybermat47 · 08-15-15, 06:15 PM

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Well what do you hard core Who fans think on the new trailer?

It has classic Daleks, including the SWD.

Let's begin.

STEED · 09-19-15, 03:27 PM

We are off and the Daleks kick off the new season and that crazy Missy up to no good, love her Scottish accent. A few silly scenes apart from that bring on

Nice to see....

Rhodes · 09-21-15, 06:22 AM

So, what did the fellow whovian think about the first episode?

STEED · 09-21-15, 06:45 AM

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So, what did the fellow whovian think about the first episode?

I do know one thing the ratings were down.

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Doctor Who sees millions desert opening episode

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34307519

Oberon · 09-21-15, 11:55 PM

I was nearly one of them, to be honest. I didn't watch it live, but watched it later with a deep sense of mistrust.

So

Missy is still annoying, that whole hologram thing with the cartoony sound effects? What is this, Warner Brothers? Clara is too much of a Mary-Sue, I mean she's in with the elite of the worlds taskforce dealing with aliens and it takes her mentioning that the aircraft could be bombs before UNIT goes 'Durr, oh yeah'. Seriously, UNIT is becoming a joke now, stop it Moffat.

I'd hate to be the poor sod in charge of tidying up after the Doctor, I mean that Chieftain tank in 1100s Essex? Yeah, that's an anachronistic mess waiting to happen, and to think all hell broke loose when Rose tried to save her father back in season one.

I did like the fact that Missy put Clara back in her place, the whole thing with the couple and the dog, that was a good line. But honestly, the whole foe-yay (google it) thing is really only being put there for the fan-fiction writers. Although since the majority of the shippers are women, they'd probably have preferred it if the Master stayed a man.

Anyway, to the meat of the story, Davros, played brilliantly as always by Julian Bleach, and a hint of how he became evil. A nice moral choice moment, kind of already done in Genesis of the Daleks, but still good. Then completely ruined when the Doctor goes back with a dalek gun. Likewise Clara and Missy being killed and the TARDIS destroyed. No-one is buying it. The TARDIS is one thing that can't be destroyed, it can be smashed up for redecorating, which is probably what has happened, but it can't be destroyed. Likewise Clara won't be killed because she's not due to leave yet, and Missy won't be killed because she's too central a character to the series. It's like the Cybermen and the Daleks, each time they get killed off completely they always come back.

Speaking of the Daleks, and Skaro (nice rebuild by the way, but not so great a shock that it's there since the last Doctor visited it not so long ago in Asylum of the Daleks...but Davros has done a great job with the place) and Gallifrey. Now that it seems the 'Time lock' on the Time war has been broken, or at the very least worked around...surely this means that all the horrors that Tennants Doctor mentioned will come out with them?
To quote, from 'The End of Time':

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DOCTOR: That's how I choose to remember them, the Time Lords of old. But then they went to war. An endless war, and it changed them right to the core. You've seen my enemies, Wilf. The Time Lords are more dangerous than any of them.

DOCTOR: You weren't there in the final days of the War. You never saw what was born. But if the Timelock's broken, then everything's coming through. Not just the Daleks, but the Skaro Degradations, the Horde of Travesties, the Nightmare Child, the Could-have-been King with his army of Meanwhiles and Never-weres. The War turned into hell. And that's what you've opened, right above the Earth. Hell is descending.

Where did all that go? Gallifrey, and that includes Rassilon, the Master (who somehow got out from the timelock and the 'picture lock' to regenerate as Missy) the genocidal Time Lords was saved and will come back at some point...but it's not the Gallifrey of old, it's Gallifrey of war. And Skaro, Skaro has returned, what of the Skaro 'Degradations'? All those deliciously sounding horrors, all the terror that the Time War placed on the universe...and it has seemingly been forgotten.

A pity, really, I liked the direction that that was taking, a once noble race, driven to madness by an eternal war, a war which caused chaos throughout the universe in time and space until it was safely locked away, both opponents locked in a moment in time, never to bother the universe again.

Still...we'll see what Moffat throws at us this season, I've not got my hopes up, to be honest. I'd be happier if Davies would come back. He wrote much better stories, much better scripts, but sadly I doubt that'll happen. At the least though, we need to get rid of Moffat. Oh, and turn the Master back into a cold calculating genius of a villain...not this random psychopath who kills people at random just to prove that she's a baddie. It's like they've taken the craziness of Simms Master and turned it up to eleven. It's not scary, it's annoying. The actress playing Missy could do with a much better script.

And finally, when Clara does go, for the love of God, please don't get another twenty-first century girl. I know the audience need someone to identify with, but you can get away with broadening the catch a bit. Look at Leela, for example, a cave girl but a perfectly good companion. Since the new series started we've had a couple of non-Earth companions, but the only one that has lasted more than one episode has been Captain Jack Harkness.

STEED · 09-22-15, 08:00 AM

Best bits were and I'm going to post it so there.

Davros was great the vintage Daleks great, parts of the story good but the rest was poor. As pointed out on here by Steve its Sci-Fi Man get with it.

Problem is Steve Dr Who is pandering to kids, OK with that said why the hell am I watching it? Good question Steve and for that I raise my cup of tea to you.

Living in hope grasping at straws that one day we will get some good acting a stonking good story line and toned down in your face special effects but as Oberon may put it, STEED old boy you wearing those rose tinted glasses again?

I hate The Masters sex change no offense to the sexy Scottish lady who's name slips my mind. As for the Doctor's assistants some are good and others are bad and its always been like that. Early Davros has messed up Big Finish productions maybe..

http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/innocence-390

STEED · 09-22-15, 01:16 PM

The Witch's Familiar: Next Time Trailer - Doctor Who: Series 9 Episode 2

Lets hope this one is better.

STEED · 09-26-15, 04:01 PM

I don't know what to think about part two.

Nice to see a bit more of those vintage Daleks.

Rhodes · 09-27-15, 06:21 AM

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I don't know what to think about part two.

Comme ci comme ça...

Betonov · 09-27-15, 06:27 AM

Some good one liners though

BossMark · 09-27-15, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I don't know what to think about part two.

Nice to see a bit more of those vintage Daleks.

Got it watch, will watch later on today.

Oberon · 09-27-15, 07:34 AM

Yeah...it started mediocre, got quite good and then ended poorly.

At least Moffat has finally explained the Deus Ex that made Missy survive (but still has yet to explain how she got back from Gallifrey) and, of course she and Clara survived, that really wasn't a shock at all.
That being said, there was some good one liners from Missy, in particular when she shoved Clara down the hole into the sewers. That being said, I still feel that she's being played too much as a clown, too much like Didi from Dexters Lab, bouncing Dalek laser beams off her arse while taunting Clara in the Dalek.
The real highlight of the episode though was the scenes between the Doctor and Davros, I think Capaldi is still trying to find his ground as the Doctor, but Julian Bleach is fantastic as Davros and it was such a shame that the whole scene was ruined by Davros's inevitable attack on the Doctor at the end of it. I mean, I know it's in character, but it was predictable. Throughout the whole scene you're just waiting for him to do something evil and so it comes as no surprise when he does, it undermines the entire scene...would have had more impact had Colony Sarff done the betraying instead, with Davros angry that he did it and so he exterminates Sarff and attempts to apologise to the Doctor who, of course, believes that this was Davros's plan all along.
Still, this is Moffat, I guess I shouldn't expect miracles.
So, naturally...like in many recent Doctor Who episodes, you get so far into the episode and it's time to quickly end it, I can almost invision the Doctor pulling a Jammy Dodger out of his pocket and going "Right, that's enough exposition for this episode, we've run out of time...time to wrap things up!" And then everything explodes and he runs into the sunset with Clara and the TARDIS.
I also find the whole 'Hybrid' thing another attempt by Moffat to shoe-horn something into the series that wasn't already there. You'd have thought something as big as a Timelord/Dalek Hybrid would have been mentioned by the Timelords or Daleks before now, especially if it was the reason he fled Gallifrey all those years ago, before the beginning of the original series of Doctor Who. That being said, Clara inside a Dalek did hark back to Asylum of the Daleks and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Moffat does try to bring it full circle at some point, probably around when Clara leaves by perhaps implanting her consciousness into a Dalek or something, which then in turn winds up on the asylum. It's a messy thing because Moffat has no real idea of continuity, but it strikes me as something he might do. He does try to do the whole overarching plotline thing but he's not as good at it as Davies was, although admittedly Davies used to be rather clumsy with it, hitting us over the head with the 'word' de jure every episode (Bad Wolf, Torchwood, etc).
So, it had potential this episode, and there were definitely some good parts, but again it was let down by the traditional rushed ending and bad writing.

08-15-15, 09:36 AM	#587
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Can't really say up to now but I'm not a Peter Capaldi fan. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-19-15, 03:27 PM	#590
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	We are off and the Daleks kick off the new season and that crazy Missy up to no good, love her Scottish accent. A few silly scenes apart from that bring on part two. Nice to see.... some vintage Daleks in there, oh no the Daleks have built a new city on Skaro! __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 09-19-15 at 03:43 PM.

09-21-15, 06:22 AM	#591
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,515 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	So, what did the fellow whovian think about the first episode? __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

09-22-15, 08:00 AM	#594
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Best bits were and I'm going to post it so there. Davros was great the vintage Daleks great, parts of the story good but the rest was poor. As pointed out on here by Steve its Sci-Fi Man get with it. Problem is Steve Dr Who is pandering to kids, OK with that said why the hell am I watching it? Good question Steve and for that I raise my cup of tea to you. Living in hope grasping at straws that one day we will get some good acting a stonking good story line and toned down in your face special effects but as Oberon may put it, STEED old boy you wearing those rose tinted glasses again? I hate The Masters sex change no offense to the sexy Scottish lady who's name slips my mind. As for the Doctor's assistants some are good and others are bad and its always been like that. Early Davros has messed up Big Finish productions maybe.. http://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/innocence-390 __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

09-22-15, 01:16 PM	#595
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The Witch's Familiar: Next Time Trailer - Doctor Who: Series 9 Episode 2 Lets hope this one is better. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

08-15-15, 05:41 AM	#586
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Jenna Coleman still has a disproportionately large head compared to her body.

09-26-15, 04:01 PM	#596
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I don't know what to think about part two. Nice to see a bit more of those vintage Daleks. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

09-27-15, 06:27 AM	#598
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Some good one liners though

09-27-15, 07:34 AM	#600
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Yeah...it started mediocre, got quite good and then ended poorly. At least Moffat has finally explained the Deus Ex that made Missy survive (but still has yet to explain how she got back from Gallifrey) and, of course she and Clara survived, that really wasn't a shock at all. That being said, there was some good one liners from Missy, in particular when she shoved Clara down the hole into the sewers. That being said, I still feel that she's being played too much as a clown, too much like Didi from Dexters Lab, bouncing Dalek laser beams off her arse while taunting Clara in the Dalek. The real highlight of the episode though was the scenes between the Doctor and Davros, I think Capaldi is still trying to find his ground as the Doctor, but Julian Bleach is fantastic as Davros and it was such a shame that the whole scene was ruined by Davros's inevitable attack on the Doctor at the end of it. I mean, I know it's in character, but it was predictable. Throughout the whole scene you're just waiting for him to do something evil and so it comes as no surprise when he does, it undermines the entire scene...would have had more impact had Colony Sarff done the betraying instead, with Davros angry that he did it and so he exterminates Sarff and attempts to apologise to the Doctor who, of course, believes that this was Davros's plan all along. Still, this is Moffat, I guess I shouldn't expect miracles. So, naturally...like in many recent Doctor Who episodes, you get so far into the episode and it's time to quickly end it, I can almost invision the Doctor pulling a Jammy Dodger out of his pocket and going "Right, that's enough exposition for this episode, we've run out of time...time to wrap things up!" And then everything explodes and he runs into the sunset with Clara and the TARDIS. I also find the whole 'Hybrid' thing another attempt by Moffat to shoe-horn something into the series that wasn't already there. You'd have thought something as big as a Timelord/Dalek Hybrid would have been mentioned by the Timelords or Daleks before now, especially if it was the reason he fled Gallifrey all those years ago, before the beginning of the original series of Doctor Who. That being said, Clara inside a Dalek did hark back to Asylum of the Daleks and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Moffat does try to bring it full circle at some point, probably around when Clara leaves by perhaps implanting her consciousness into a Dalek or something, which then in turn winds up on the asylum. It's a messy thing because Moffat has no real idea of continuity, but it strikes me as something he might do. He does try to do the whole overarching plotline thing but he's not as good at it as Davies was, although admittedly Davies used to be rather clumsy with it, hitting us over the head with the 'word' de jure every episode (Bad Wolf, Torchwood, etc). So, it had potential this episode, and there were definitely some good parts, but again it was let down by the traditional rushed ending and bad writing.