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[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I take it back, I feel safer in Slovenia in any way

LOL

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

... The people did all they could to make all this happen and now that it is happening, they won't do anything to stop it. So why not have a little fun and play the violin before the ship slips under?

As their attempts of forced integration/assimilation fail miserably. They'll blame you because you werent tolerant enough.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Makes 2 of us

All for one, and one for all!

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

forced integration/assimilation fail miserably. They'll blame you because you werent tolerant enough.

They will always fail.
History shows us this.

The 'mixing' of cultures will never work.
Forced or not.

Tolerance, or lack thereof is just one reason.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

They will always fail.
History shows us this.

The 'mixing' of cultures will never work.
Forced or not.

Explain Britain then.

I mean, the words you're using to type this post come from about three different cultures to begin with.

Let's see, in history we've had, Celtic, Germanic, Latin, Angle, Saxon, Brythonic, Norman, Norse, Dutch, and some Spanish culture...and then when we started going abroad we got some Hindu culture, some Arabic culture, and Caribbean culture.
Sure, it's caused problems from time to time, but we're still here. Heck, the favourite dish of the UK, above even the stereotypical 'Fish and Chips' is Chicken Tikka Masala, which is a dish based on Indian styling but invented in the UK. Notting Hill Carnival, one of the most famous carnivals in the UK is West Indian in origin, heck, our flag the red cross of St George, is named after a Syrian immigrant.

That has been one of this countries greatest strengths...until recently...the ability to take in people of a culture, assimilate them, adapt elements of their culture to work alongside what is already present and continue. Sure, there might be a couple of riots on the way, but the world didn't end.
Still, I guess the internet has changed all that now anyway, perhaps now in this age of modern rapid communication that brings us all closer together we are moving rapidly to make sure that we build barriers to keep people out.
It'll all end in tears, and lots of dead people, but I guess that's how it goes. Humanity will probably endure, and if it doesn't, well better luck whatever evolves next.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Oberon

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People share and learn things over time.
Over Generations.
We can, after such developments, call this cultures.

Let's take for example traditional and modern cultures.

They may be similar in some ways but in other ways they are very different.
Traditional culture - relationships, immediate and extended family as a few examples.
Modern Culture - 1 example is business life is seperate from personal life.

In traditional culture, business and personal life are often the same.
Ie business partners often family members etc.

Another difference between the 2 is traditional culture usually stays the same for long periods of time.
Modern culture, feeds off change.

Now, my point in mentioning the above is that these differences can have various 'consequences' for the people in those aforementioned 'cultures'.

Sustainability is one.
Or the ability to sustain oneself.

Also for consideration as to why/how different cultures mixing, poses 'consequences' is in the ways of thinking.

Cultural differences in marriages.

Crossing cultures where everyone is NOT equal.

Sure in one culture, without mixing, you have inequality.
But we are talking about mixing 2 different cultures together.

Now modern and traditional cultures are certainly different examples than lets say 2 cultures based purely on ethnic backgrounds/origins.

And when we talk about ethnic mixing then some of the examples above certainly are more than acceptable to use as examples.

I mentioned history has shown us that the mixing of cultures purely based on a ethnic or racial background does not work.

Australia is one such example.

To this day, the racial divide widens ever further.

(And for someone to say that Australia is not a racist country is laughable)
I use the word racism here because it's a consequence of mixing.

Britain has also 'suffered' from the influx of migrants, asylum-seekers, illegal and legal just as Germany, Italy, Greece and a host of others have.

If you were to mention that in the media in particular, the mixing of 2 (or more in some countries) cultures, is portrayed as mainly a success.

The mixing of cultures and its consequences is far more deep-rooted than sharing and learning from each other, which goes to a point of difference i made earlier.

Something else to ponder:

family values
religious beliefs
work ethic
family structure
forming and reforming family, amongst others
intermarriage
sex roles
child birth and rearing
language maintenance
cultural identity

Originally Posted by Oberon

I mean, the words you're using to type this post come from about three different cultures to begin with.

Cultures that came from the same historical background that also weren't that different.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Let's see, in history we've had, Celtic, Germanic, Latin, Angle, Saxon, Brythonic, Norman, Norse, Dutch, and some Spanish culture...and then when we started going abroad we got some Hindu culture, some Arabic culture, and Caribbean culture.

See above.
Regarding the Arabian and Hindi culture, these were influences, that is very different from forcing two or more cultures to combine on crowded space, especially if one of the cultures involved seeks for domination.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Sure, it's caused problems from time to time, but we're still here.

Just because demons from Hell didn't devour us yet, it doesn't mean multi-culturalism 'works'.
If countries that get invaded get more and more trouble in a rather short time span, I'd dare to say it doesn't work.

- Increasing poverty
- Forming of ghettos
- Losing cultural identity and tradition
- Social-political conflicts in general

Just some of the problems it causes. On top, the quantity makes the poison.
Every country can survive influences - but not cultural invasions that enforce their ways one way or another.
Personally, I can very well WITNESS my country changing, losing more and more of its roots and traditions due to the deadly cocktail of mass-migration and political correctness and the incredibly shameless behavior of Muslims in my country.

Out of my memory:
- Trying to ban Pork from schools and canteens because they don't like it.
- Trying to get their daughters out of sports-classes in school "becuz muh Islam!"
- Trying to ban toys because they resemble something Islamic (google Lego's Jabba's Palace)
- Demanding Islam-classes in school, more and more Mosques, Muezzins etc. etc.
- Traditional slaughtering (abusing!) of animals "becuz muh Islam!"
- Islamic holidays

And this list could go on for a while.
They invade us and try to change our country.
They don't even waste a thought about adapting to the country they go to - but we can't blame them,
it's all in the Quran btw, the book most here talk about but never read.

By the way, other cultures who influenced Germany cause next to no problems. Russians for example, in most cases, work hard, party hard, build a house and that's it. They don't try to change the country they're migrating to. Same goes for all other cultures... except, of course, the most peaceful of them all...

Originally Posted by Oberon

It'll all end in tears, and lots of dead people, but I guess that's how it goes. Humanity will probably endure, and if it doesn't, well better luck whatever evolves next.

Not sure if we can connect a world sooner or later dominated by Islam with the term humanity.

Nippelspanner, nothing you have written above hasn't already been said. About Jews. Including assertions that they weren't a part of humanity.

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Nippelspanner, nothing you have written above hasn't already been said. About Jews. Including assertions that they weren't a part of humanity.

*sigh*
Yes, I'm such a Nazi, Sieg Heil bla bla.
Get real!

Unlike Jews, Muslims indeed try to seize whatever piece of soil and culture they can. If you don't know this yet, not my problem.
Save yourself these kind of accusations though, at least as long as they are unfounded. I don't think this is going well with the rules here...

That's funny. Because of the many Muslims I've interacted with (got outrageously drunk in the student union bar with, shared a Christmas dinner with, etc, etc...) none have shown the slightest sign of trying to seize soil or culture. To busy living their lives.

Just how many Muslims do you know, anyway?

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

That's funny. Because of the many Muslims I've interacted with (got outrageously drunk in the student union bar with, shared a Christmas dinner with, etc, etc...) none have shown the slightest sign of trying to seize soil or culture. To busy living their lives.

Just how many Muslims do you know, anyway?

I'm handing that question right back at you, because how much of a Muslim are your associates when they consume alcohol?

Read the Quran, then ask yourself how many Muslims you really know.
Also, go and talk to 10 Muslims, alone.
Criticize Islam or remind them that their Prophet was a pedophile.
I'll guarantee you that 9/10 of them will lose their temper - this have been my experiences and I am living in a country with a lot of Muslims, where cities even have whole districts that could very well be called "little Turkey".
But what do I know...

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I'm handing that question right back at you, because how much of a Muslim are your associates when they consume alcohol?

Read the Quran, then ask yourself how many Muslims you really know.
Also, go and talk to 10 Muslims, alone.
Criticize Islam or remind them that their Prophet was a pedophile.
I'll guarantee you that 9/10 of them will lose their temper - this have been my experiences and I am living in a country with a lot of Muslims, where cities even have whole districts that could very well be called "little Turkey".
But what do I know...

How much of a Muslim? Not for me to say. For the same reason that it isn't for me to say how much of a Christian is a man who covets his neighbours house. Or wife. Or BMW. I don't subscribe to the view (much put about by both Islamic fundamentalists and those who consider themselves their most staunch opponents) that there is one form of 'authentic' Islam, and that anyone not adhering rigorously to a single interpretation of a complex and fragmented faith isn't a 'proper' Muslim.

And no, I am not going to 'remind' anyone that people living in different times have had different standards regarding appropriate ages for sexual conduct. I think most educated people are well aware of the fact. Though if you are interested, you might care to take a look at this list: http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-mod...rces&source=24 The entry for Delaware in particular is most illuminating.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Nippelspanner, nothing you have written above hasn't already been said. About Jews. Including assertions that they weren't a part of humanity.

Ahhh the Jew card has been pulled hahah

Obviously this tired, worn, dog-eared, inferior, ignorant and stained card gets pulled when there are debates about race and culture, involving someone or several persons from Deutschland.

Just had to jump in there.

Where were the assertions that they weren't part of humanity?
In this thread?
I don't see any mention of the word Jew.

So you have interacted with many Muslims.
Well, that surely would indicate that racial equality exists amongst 2 cultures who are mixing.
Surely.......
it has to.
No? It doesn't?
Hmm i wonder why.

Seriously if you think that "interacting', (what a loose and utterly vague term to use, because let's face it, interacting can mean you being a post man and delivering a letter to a muslim's mailbox without ever seeing that muslim, or paying a muslim for a lousy coffee or....).

Interacting doesn't prove one iota that mixing cultures works, just because you say it does.

Nor does it mean that Muslims are content to adopt the laws of the country they are settling in.
Nor does it mean that Muslims abide by Christianity in a Christian majority country by faith.

Hell, i've intercated with Muslims, in fact having shared a house with 3 Muslims not too long ago.
Do i think that means that my religious beliefs, work ethic, family structure, forming and reforming family,
intermarriage, sex roles, child birth and rearing, language maintenance, cultural identity matched up with each other?

Well i think i don't need to answer that do i?

Next time you pull a dirty old Jew card out of the box, i suggest you reconsider, because it does nothing to add weight to anything you post along with it.

Unless of course you are debating with NAZIS, who knows.

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Unless of course you are debating with NAZIS, who knows.

Hey I criticized Islam - of course I'm a Nazi you dummy!

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Unlike Jews, Muslims indeed try to seize whatever piece of soil and culture they can.

It's not soil they are after
As has been shown countless times by the prior