Mass stabbing in central London leaves woman dead and six injured

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

So, the onus is on you to inform me how you would 'engage' a terrorist, not a mugger, in close-quarter combat..

Close quarters you mean I can't run anymore. He's already on top of me.

I dont know. If I took some good self defence classes I'd know. Provided the terrorist decided to go close quarters with me without a firearm or bomb, in which case my answer would be to die.
In case I was attacked by knife I'd punch and kick and if I had my compulsure I'd maybe grab something to smah into his face, draw my picket knife and cut back, do anything but stand there and die.

But the thread and my chilli coment wasnt about bomb wielding terrorists, but a knife wielding nutcase, so why am I even writting how I would handle a terrorist.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I was talking about an attacker, which can mean a terrorist but also a mental case, drunken hooligan or a very angry spouse.
Who can wield a knife, fist or a frying pan.

I used the terrorist example and expanded on that because you mentioned that type of attacker as one of your examples earlier.
The reason i did that was because engaging a mugger, drunken hooligan or angry spouse in close quarter combat is much more, let's say trivial than our other example.
The terrorist.
Who unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on which side you stand on, is not armed with frying pans or knife only.
That would be far too easy.

I never said that chilli peppers would be a good terror deterent or defence against an AK or bomb vest.

Not outright, no, however the example of terrorist was mentioned by you.
I also see that you and Catfish were engaging in banter about that, as in jesting.
I didn't pick up on that, hence my pressing you for a explanation on the art of close quarter combat with a terrorist.
Nonetheless i think it still stands as a interesting discussion.
In general.
How to firstly identify the target, analyze the target, risk assess, if 'safe' to do so, which is where the conundrum is with this, and then engage target in close quarter combat.

I was also half joking since chilli peppers

See above

So now tell me, are you going to understand that I meant any attacker including drunks in a bar and not just terrorists or not, because I will not explain myself again for the third time.

Any attacker, which included the word terrorist. By you.
It was and still is pointless to discuss engaging a target to the likes of an angry spuse or a drunken hooligan or a man in a wheelchair who didn't get his pension paid on time and the 3 afore-mentioned 'targets' are armed with frying pans or an old shoe because, well that would be a quick and rather uninteresting debate.

So no, you don't have to explain yourself a third time.

Originally Posted by Betonov

Close quarters you mean I can't run anymore. He's already on top of me.

Or you on top of him?
A better scenario, no?
If you (in general) are skilled enough to engage and carry out this fighting style.

I dont know. If I took some good self defence classes I'd know. Provided the terrorist decided to go close quarters with me without a firearm or bomb, in which case my answer would be to die.
In case I was attacked by knife I'd punch and kick and if I had my compulsure I'd maybe grab something to smah into his face, draw my picket knife and cut back, do anything but stand there and die.

Now we are starting to discuss the what-ifs of engaging a terrorist in close quarter combat
And preferably one who isn't armed with a frying pan or an old shoe sole.

But the thread and my chilli coment wasnt about bomb wielding terrorists, but a knife wielding nutcase, so why am I even writting how I would handle a terrorist.

Well, a terrorist who is only armed with a knife is a good scenario to have when engaging them in close quarter fighting.
A preferred scenario, no less.

However, as my 2 of my photos showed, and seems to be the case proven countless times, terrorists are armed with more than just frying pans.
Or knives for that matter.
Or bombs and detonator strapped to themselves.

The latter is much more difficult to engage.
The prior, much easier.
Easier in the sense that a knife-wielding terrorist will pose a much higher success rate in overcoming the target and disarming that a bomb-wielding and AK-47 and Glock-wielding Terrorist who may or may not be identified (civilian clothing, ambush scenario, a woman, a child, camaflouaged etc).

A knife-wielding nut case and a Gun and/or bomb-wielding nutcase can be certainly given the term Terrorist since in many cases around the world, terrorists have chosen to arm themselves, amongst other weaponry, with these instruments.

That is why i am discussing the terrorist and identifying, assessing, and the possible ways of engaging a terrorist.

But not a frying-pan or knife-wielding terrorist.

It's an open discussion of course.

The difficulties in engaging a 'armed' terrorist, fully armed, not some hoodlum who isn't fighting for Allah or IS, is, very very difficult.

Originally Posted by em2nought

I think Britain should either bring back the longbow or the SMLE now that you're not ruled by the EU.

Yes, because it was Brussels that told the UK to have strict gun laws...

[Jimbuna]

I feel far safer living on the UK mainland than I would on mainland Europe.

[Gerald]

Aye.

[Betonov]

I certainly feel safer in Slovenia than I did when I was in London. But felt the same in York.

Regarding Feuer Frei:
terrorists, coup, war, mafia... chilli pepper not effective
spouse, drunk, mugger... chilli pepper effective

And yes, terrorist attacks have the element of surprise working against you. It's plausable to grab a pepper from pocket and shove it in Ahmeds face when he runs towards you like a maniac, giving you time to prepare a stance and use one hand to shield yourself and/or hold his knife hand at bay. Completely different when Ahmed silently walks behind you and slashes your throat when your browsing the newspapers.

[Oberon]

14 year old stabbed to death up the road from a friend of mine who lives in London a couple of hours ago. They join a man in his 20s who got stabbed in Westfield White City shopping center, although he has survived, but a 31 year old near Bethnal Green tube station was not so lucky.

[Skybird]

I just read a clearificaiton in the news that I had almost expected to read sooner or later, on the central London stabbing. While the media first spoke of a person, and then of a young man, and then a probably mentally deranged ors somebody whith psychic problems, an isolated single attacker, it then was said the Norwegian authorities identified him as a "Norwegian national".

And now we have the full truth, its a Somali with Norwegian papers. Almost 100% of Somali people are Sunni Muslim.

Difficult birth that was.

[Gerald]

Sky! Are you surprised that he's Somalis, and muslim in Norway?

[Skybird]

Nothing surprises me anymore.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I just read a clearificaiton in the news that I had almost expected to read sooner or later, on the central London stabbing. While the media first spoke of a person, and then of a young man, and then a probably mentally deranged ors somebody whith psychic problems, an isolated single attacker, it then was said the Norwegian authorities identified him as a "Norwegian national".

And now we have the full truth, its a Somali with Norwegian papers. Almost 100% of Somali people are Sunni Muslim.

Difficult birth that was.

The media surely does hate when the truth goes against the false narrative they keep trying to spin for us.

Originally Posted by Skybird

And now we have the full truth, its a Somali with Norwegian papers. Almost 100% of Somali people are Sunni Muslim.

I'm browsing my local police reports more and more.
I did so before to keep up to date but nothing ever really happened here, small and quiet city.
However, that changed.
Reports about theft, sexual harassment, rape or intended rape are, compared to 5 years ago, going through the roof.
The police tries their utmost to stay PC and 'neutral', aka to hide the heritage end ethnicity of the perpetrators as good as possible, but sooner or later they gotta mention it and well... I don't read an awful lot about German middle class criminals, you know.

Just last night, I stumbled over a new sexual harassment case while being in team speak with a friend. It has become a mini-game where we make bets as to where the perp is from. We don't even bet anymore if it is a muslim, btw, that's become a given.
I said Somali, buddy said Moroccan.
I won.

Distasteful?
Maybe, I don't give a damn anymore. The people did all they could to make all this happen and now that it is happening, they won't do anything to stop it. So why not have a little fun and play the violin before the ship slips under?

But I'm probably just a bigoted-nazi-islamophobe...

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I'm probably just a bigoted-nazi-islamophobe...

Makes 2 of us

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I certainly feel safer in Slovenia than I did when I was in London. But felt the same in York.

You were well protected whilst in York mate

Not so much your right knee though

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

You were well protected whilst in York mate

Not so much your right knee though

I take it back, I feel safer in Slovenia in any way