Conspiracies, sheeple, the universe and everything

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I have no idea.

Ads. Go to any "big" CT site and all you have is "buy this book, and buy this DVD"

The main sites that "debunkers" use are 100% ad free.

[Sailor Steve]

Ah. Cool. I doubt I ever would have noticed that.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Ah. Cool. I doubt I ever would have noticed that.

Well, excuuuuse me.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Penguin

If I run blindfolded onto the street and point at every car, shouting: "It's a green car!" I will certainly point at some green vehicles.

That was an excellent analogy.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

I am no truther,

Sorry, but yes, you kinda are, not the first time you question the almighty official story.

but I was interested in Moore's documentary like most of us.

And Moore's "documentary" was quite easily debunked, almost a DECADE a go.

I still think he has some valid questions to be explained by those, who say they have the sovereignty of interpretation and the legitimation to kill.

Give me one, please. Seriously.

It is not my job to provide some hard evidence for any justified doubt,

You are the one making the claims, burden of proof is on you.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Dowly

You are the one making the claims, burden of proof is on you.

That's the way it works. If you accuse someone of wrongdoing, it is your job to back up the claim. It is not the accused person's job to prove he didn't do it.

[Wolferz]

[MH]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Why do I doubt the official interpretation of the 9/11 events?

The sheer unbelievable amount of suspicious coincidences and advantages that accrued for a few make me doubt.
I don't trust the US government - as I don't trust my own government - not as far as I can drop an elefant.
And I trust those greedy ghosts behind our governments even less.

I am no truther, but I was interested in Moore's documentary like most of us.
I still think he has some valid questions to be explained by those, who say they have the sovereignty of interpretation and the legitimation to kill.
It is not my job to provide some hard evidence for any justified doubt, but theirs to deliver transparent and possibly irrefutable answers.
They get paid for it, they have access and any support.

Well, I personally am not questioned anyway.

In cases like this it usually takes few coincidences and screw ups on one side and some planning on the other for it all to work.
The problem is that you apply backward logic to it all.

[Catfish]

So becasue of some (!) 'truthers' (what an analogy b.t.w., to belittle people who want to know the truth lol) tell nonsense or expect a conspiracy, it makes all true what the government had to say ? I don't think so.
No, this is all about desinformation.
Feed them some bits of truth that can be proven, but leave out the bigger picture and background that led to the mess.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So becasue of some (!) 'truthers' (what an analogy b.t.w., to belittle people who want to know the truth lol) tell nonsense or expect a conspiracy, it makes all true what the government had to say ? I don't think so.
No, this is all about desinformation.
Feed them some bits of truth that can be proven, but leave out the bigger picture and background that led to the mess.

Just maybe if you spend your time on researching how it all got messed up-how the all mighty billion dollar intelligence service got screwed up by a few beard muslims WTF? How come?- instead of searching great conspiracy, THEN all it will come together.

Yet some prefer great conspiracies.

Turns out you can never be paranoid enough and don't underestimate.

Not to mention as stated below that troofers climes are bull.

Originally Posted by Catfish

So becasue of some (!) 'truthers' (what an analogy b.t.w., to belittle people who want to know the truth lol) tell nonsense or expect a conspiracy, it makes all true what the government had to say ? I don't think so.
No, this is all about desinformation.
Feed them some bits of truth that can be proven, but leave out the bigger picture and background that led to the mess.

You seem to be getting things backwards.
It isn't a matter of believing what the government has to say, its a matter of looking at the troofers claims and seeing if they are true or false.
Nearly every claim made about conspiracies over 9/11 takes about a minute to fall apart, some might take ten minutes of looking though before they are thoroughly trashed.
What we get is the same claims being repeated again and again as der troof by people who state that other people are blind and do not look, when they are the ones just repeating conspiracy crap of the internet that they havn't even examined but just swallowed blindly.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So becasue of some (!) 'truthers' (what an analogy b.t.w., to belittle people who want to know the truth lol)

"Truther" is the term they came up with for themselves. No one foisted it upon them.

9/11 Truthers love to brush everyone who disagrees with them as "sheeple" who believe everything authority tells them. Since most of them believe at least one government (usually the U.S.’s, but sometimes Israel’s) is responsible for the attacks, and anyone who defends what conspiracy theorists call the “official story” is automatically tarred as a mouthpiece for that evil, corrupt government.

The argument is invalid because it establishes a binary choice. Either you believe the conspiracy theory 100%, or you believe the government 100%. There is no in-between. In the mind of a conspiracy theorist, it’s not possible to question or oppose the government and also deny the validity of conspiracy theories accusing that government of wrongdoing; you’re either enlightened or you’re a shill. I find this dichotomy interesting because it illustrates the shallowness of conspiracist thinking and also, in a subtle way, the attraction conspiracy theories have for their followers. Conspiracy theorists like these theories because they separate a complicated world into black and white, good and evil, wrongdoers and the enlightened warriors. Consequently, if you aren’t willing to stand up and be counted with the enlightened warriors, you may as well cross over to the dark side. There is no gray area. If only the world were that simple.

[Oberon]

Aliens have abducted a load of the tags for this thread!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Catfish

(what an analogy b.t.w., to belittle people who want to know the truth lol)

That's the problem. They don't want to know the truth. They are already convinced that they know the truth and desperately want everyone else to agree with them. In case you haven't noticed, most people who disagree with them are like me - people who don't accept the government line, but are waiting for even one of these claims to have a single shred of real evidence to back it up. Just because we don't trust the government doesn't mean that every claim made against them is true.

The second problem is that all these claims are based on the idea that what looks apparent doesn't really add up. That's fine, but a thousand questions do not equal one hard fact. That's all most of us are asking for - one hard fact.

@ Dread Knot: Very well said!

[Wolferz]

Truth is the first casualty of any good conspiracy theory.