Palestinians get Unesco seat as 107 vote in favour

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I completely understand what you mean, I just do not accept when you said I "implied" that it is only due to Jewish lobbying that american opinion is like this or that. I think Jewish lobbying and the non-lobbied opinion of that voting group as well is a primary factor and a very important motive for american political acting, and I think it is such a strong one that no politicians can afford to ignore it, but I did not say (=imply) I think it is the decisive and only drive behind things.

My fault. I didn't mean to imply that your implication was deliberate.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Skybird

On the UNESCO decision, something else: there are the treaties of Oslo which explicitly have ruled that neither side should create facts changing the status of a Palestinian state unilaterally as long as this state does not result from mutal agreement in negotiations. This Oslo treaty, whatever it is worth, is being violated by the Palestinians as well, obviously.

Might be true legally, but morally this is a ridiculously unfair treaty in such a case. By your description, it simply says that Israel can deny Palestinians independence as long as it wants.

No wonder the Palestinians are resorting to bombing attacks...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Kazuaki Shimazaki II

Might be true legally, but morally this is a ridiculously unfair treaty in such a case. By your description, it simply says that Israel can deny Palestinians independence as long as it wants.

No wonder the Palestinians are resorting to bombing attacks...

The Palestinians agreed to and signed the treaty of Oslo.

And do you want to say that arbitrary, indistinctive murder of random civilians in attacks designed to randomly kill as many non-combattants as possible in attacks aimed at non-combattants in the first, can be excused? "You give us our will, else...!" ??

I tell you what, the Palestinians simply are no clever people and no clever faction. They pick the wrong choices time and again, throughout the past decades. And everybody in the Arab world knows that they are politically impotent, untrustworthy, and notorious trouble-makers, and that is the reason why not even anyone in the Arab worlds really wants to deal with them. They get instrumentalised for other purposes, but do not be mistaken: in Arab nations, and in Persia as well, in reality the Palestinians simply are pariahs. And that is a reputation they are responsible for all by themselves. I saw this basic attitude towards them in Algeria. In Libya. in Turkey. In Egypt. In persian Iran anyway. And for the short days I was moving through there: in Jordan as well (what a surprise, after the stunt they tried there). Hell, even in distant Pakistan they were on their guard against the Palestinians!

Those Arab Muslim brothers and sisters all just one big happy family - ha! Big words, hot air, nothing more. In those places they become drunk and stoned of pathetic words, the more pathos the better. And we are lucky that it is that way. Not to imagine what our position would be if they really would be that united as they claim they are. A united Islamic world acting in coordination: that is a nightmare vision I have.

On a side-note, some Saudi terror-prince has set up rewards of 1 million dollars for kidnapping Israeli soldiers, I read today. That is also one of these helpful things. The next king that is rumoured to be nominated for office, also is said to be an extremely medieval, women-hostile fundamentalism-hardliner. And Germany and America arming them up like crazy, and Europe still affording to depend on Saudi oil. Fan-tas-tic.

[MH]

Actually he is right lol

They signed the treaty and then Arafat got Nobel prize for suicidal bombing policy...ok... he got the price beforehand and decided it wasn't fair...

That's very distant past though......

Next stage is to give them what they want now so that someone can decide its not fair again....and shoot rockets on Tel Aviv....Oh..wait what about Jaffa.