Asterisk swearing - Page 4

MH · 08-25-11, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

1. Since that rude and impolite way of speaking is the natural one of those of us who're not blue-blooded aristocrats, and 2. since the asterisked way of speaking is the one of those who show they've got some education not to display their anger publicly, wishing to keep up appearances on the internet - ROFL - (the internet being what it is, I don't need to use asterisks there : everyone knows what I mean) just shows how much some people can be into fighting for lost causes.

I don't mean you're wrong. It's just not even worth trying. But well, you're the boss in here. Proceed as if thou hadst the power to make a delicate and gracious person out of all peasants.

Are You smurf too?
Eating movies..no good.

Jimbuna · 08-25-11, 11:31 AM

Can't really add much to what Neon has posted @ #42 other than....if your not sure, don't do it.

Neal, SubSim and this community of ours deserves nothing less.

Molon Labe · 08-25-11, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Actual Forum Rules

Please use language that you would use around your mother. No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language. Do not use *******ing w*rds with aster*cks, that's the same thing as vulgar languge. Express yourself with respect to others.

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Originally Posted by The Warning Issued to Members

This also includes fully asterisked out words as I do not know if you did it, or the forum filter did.

You know, after 4 pages on this topic it still appears that the original question hasn't been answered.

So maybe I'll ask it a different way: Has Neal either added the "fully astericked" rule, or, has Neal empowered his Moderators to add new forum rules?

frau kaleun · 08-25-11, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

So maybe I'll ask it a different way: Has Neal either added the "fully astericked" rule

I'm pretty sure that rule read the same when I joined two years ago.

Molon Labe · 08-25-11, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I'm pretty sure that rule read the same when I joined two years ago.

Well, it isn't on the Rules page right now. So by "added" I just meant that it exists by Neal's authority, even if it hasn't been physically added to the rules page yet.

Sailor Steve · 08-25-11, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

Well, it isn't on the Rules page right now. So by "added" I just meant that it exists by Neal's authority, even if it hasn't been physically added to the rules page yet.

The answer is no. Reread my post regarding a moderators' discussion of that, and reread Neon's post. It's on a case-by-case basis, and the biggest problem isn't with random asteriscks, but when it's absolutely obvious what was meant. Comic swearing is an iffy problem as well, if for no other reason than that I've gotten away with it myself. I don't do it anymore, but some of the keys are fun to play with. Even then, when it's blatantly obvious it's a problem.

As for Neal's authority, he's a pretty easy-going guy. If you cross a line you will ususally be warned first, especially if it's not a clear violation.

FIREWALL · 08-25-11, 01:01 PM

Why is anyone bringing their Anger to this Website.

Neal didn't create this site as an Anger Management Website.

Maybe he should create yet another Forum that will clog up his Bandwidth for all to Vent into.

Edit: 8-26-2011 Anger as a reason was posted by more than one of the posters.

FIREWALL · 08-25-11, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I'm pretty sure that rule read the same when I joined two years ago.

They were their when I joined in "2006" Believe it or not All I, actually read the rules and, even broke 1 or 2 of them or 3, 4+

and was handled appropriately per incident.

I was in the wrong btw.

Simple rules to understand and follow. .

Neal.

08-25-11, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Why in anyone bringing their Anger to this Website.

Neal didn't create this site as an Anger Management Website.

Maybe he should create yet another Forum that will clog up his Bandwidth for all to Vent into.

Well honestly, swear words have never been "Anger Centric" for me, I just say them, they are just words after all, and in person if people have a problem with me using them then they can Bugger off.

NeonSamurai · 08-25-11, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

You know, after 4 pages on this topic it still appears that the original question hasn't been answered.

So maybe I'll ask it a different way: Has Neal either added the "fully astericked" rule, or, has Neal empowered his Moderators to add new forum rules?

It falls under obscenities and foul speech part of the rules, which I already answered. People are not supposed to be using foul speech to begin with, even though we do have a filter. The filter is just a safe guard so that people don't have to read a long swear filled spew by some angry person, not a crutch to keep your written text clean. As I cannot tell if the filter did the ******** or you did it yourself, I have to treat both the same. This is how I interpret the rules, if Neal disagrees with my interpretation I am sure he will let me know.

Also FYI it would take 5 bad language infractions (unless they were extreme) in 10 days to earn a time out in the brig, and I am not waiting in the shadows rubbing my hands eagerly for the next person to pounce on. I am actually far happier when I do not have to do anything as a moderator. So I would not get too worried about this.

Molon Labe · 08-25-11, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually that problem has come up with the moderators before. I was told a long time ago that fully asterisked words were indeed alright, but as soon as you combine it with anything else, such as "ing" it crosses the line. As I understand it cartoon swearing, *#&@^)*** is fully alright, as it's meant to be funny.

I apologize for missing this post, Steve. I appreciate the clarification.

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Originally Posted by Neon Samurai

As I cannot tell if the filter did the ******** or you did it yourself, I have to treat both the same. This is how I interpret the rules, if Neal disagrees with my interpretation I am sure he will let me know.

So, taking Steve's and Neon's posts here into consideration, along with the forum rules as they are posted, it would appear that the current state of things is as follows:

1. Moderators are not authorized to create new forum rules.
2. Fully astericked "swears" are permissible, unless the word that the astericks apparently masked is obvious. This is apparently Neal's rule but has accidentally been omitted from the official Forum Rules page.
3. Neon Samurai will issue infractions for asterisk chains, regardless of whether the asterisk chain is permissible under the rules.
4. Neon Samurai will cease to issue infractions for permissible asterisk chains if asked to by Neal.

Is that accurate?

Penguin · 08-25-11, 02:33 PM

Guys, we shouldn't play dumber than we are, the rules are not written in Marsian - or is this Marsianic? Not too complicated. Anyway, I don't endorse them, but I try to see it as if I am a guest in Neal's house.

Personally I have no problem with swearing, as I use swear words in my every conversation, often subconscious, as I see nothing bad about it. I mostly write here as I speak. So (bed-)sheet happenz

, but at least I try to think about the language, just as I do when I visit friends with young kids - those bastards pick up new words so easy!

I think it's a cultural thing, as someone pointed out before. An American relative once complained about me using the f-word in every second sentence. He is not a nun, but he said when I talk like this, Americans regard it as primitive and uneducated. Well, that's what I am - but I got the point

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Molon Labe · 08-25-11, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguin

Guys, we shouldn't play dumber than we are, the rules are not written in Marsian - or is this Marsianic? Not too complicated. Anyway, I don't endorse them, but I try to see it as if I am a guest in Neal's house.

No one is playing dumb here. Neon issued a warning that exceeds the scope of the forum rules. This has quite reasonably caused some confusion as to what the forum rules actually are. We're all in agreement that we should behave in Neal's house, that isn't the issue.

FIREWALL · 08-25-11, 02:57 PM

This is there now "Please use language that you would use around your mother. No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language. Do not use *******ing w*rds with aster*cks, that's the same thing as vulgar languge. Express yourself with respect to others.

And it was there when I joined in "2006"

Penguin · 08-25-11, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

No one is playing dumb here. Neon issued a warning that exceeds the scope of the forum rules. This has quite reasonably caused some confusion as to what the forum rules actually are. We're all in agreement that we should behave in Neal's house, that isn't the issue.

Check out the time of my last post, I can't type that fast. It was not directed at you specifically, but at everybody.

"No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language" looks crystal clear to me.
If the filter is programmed to "asterisk out" some of these words, then then I can't see much substance in your point #2.

****, into what position did you bring me?

Here I am, defending rules that I do not appreciate...

08-25-11, 11:31 AM	#47
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,615 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Can't really add much to what Neon has posted @ #42 other than....if your not sure, don't do it. Neal, SubSim and this community of ours deserves nothing less. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-25-11, 01:01 PM	#52
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Why is anyone bringing their Anger to this Website. Neal didn't create this site as an Anger Management Website. Maybe he should create yet another Forum that will clog up his Bandwidth for all to Vent into. Edit: 8-26-2011 Anger as a reason was posted by more than one of the posters. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ??? Last edited by FIREWALL; 08-26-11 at 12:45 PM.

08-25-11, 02:57 PM	#59
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	This is there now "Please use language that you would use around your mother. No vulgarities, obscenities, hate speech, or foul language. Do not use ******ing wrds with aster*cks, that's the same thing as vulgar languge. Express yourself with respect to others. And it was there when I joined in "2006" __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

08-25-11, 02:33 PM	#57
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Guys, we shouldn't play dumber than we are, the rules are not written in Marsian - or is this Marsianic? Not too complicated. Anyway, I don't endorse them, but I try to see it as if I am a guest in Neal's house. Personally I have no problem with swearing, as I use swear words in my every conversation, often subconscious, as I see nothing bad about it. I mostly write here as I speak. So (bed-)sheet happenz , but at least I try to think about the language, just as I do when I visit friends with young kids - those bastards pick up new words so easy! I think it's a cultural thing, as someone pointed out before. An American relative once complained about me using the f-word in every second sentence. He is not a nun, but he said when I talk like this, Americans regard it as primitive and uneducated. Well, that's what I am - but I got the point .