Indonesia: Angry Muslim crowd attacks Java churches

[DarkFish]

Somebody earlier in this thread worried if Castout was okay. I'm starting to worry as well now, his last activity was 4 days ago
The chances that he's one of the few killed are, well, almost nonexistent but still, maybe it's getting too hot out there and he's got to hide or something?

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Implications like this are often made - if you are not religious, than you are automatically communist/fascist/Maoist.

You misunderstood. I said nothing about being an athiest. I was talking about his idea to abolish religion. Freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, freedom of worship, all out the window with any kind of ban like that.

[August]

Originally Posted by Krauter

In my opinion, religion is almost always the root cause of any conflict or tension. However, abolishing religion would only cause social collapse, both in the West and East

Human nature is the root cause of any conflict or tension. Religion might provide a handy excuse but it'd happen in an atheist world too.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

Somebody earlier in this thread worried if Castout was okay. I'm starting to worry as well now, his last activity was 4 days ago
The chances that he's one of the few killed are, well, almost nonexistent but still, maybe it's getting too hot out there and he's got to hide or something?

I had an interest in knowing the situation, but no negative vibrations now, he's probably much more with jobs and stuff

[Armistead]

[QUOTE=Vendor;1594650]

Originally Posted by Krauter

In my opinion, religion is almost always the root cause of any conflict or tension. However, abolishing religion would only cause social collapse, both in the West and East[/QUOTE Much truth behind those words that religion, are behind conflicts around the world

I agree to a point. If you study early religion, governments couldn't help but use it as a tool to control the masses, even christianity. Doctrines such as hell and torture hardly existed in the christian church until 400AD.
Properly translated you won't find this hell in the bible. Rome needed tools of fear and guilt to control the masses, so pagan doctrines were mixed with christian doctrine.

However, even if you snub out religion, other belief system would seek to fill the void. Even though I'm more agnostic these days, even atheism is a organized belief system, same as socialism, communism, ect. Seems we will always have some type of system, either worshipping God or man in some form.

In the end it's about power and as long as greed exist, someone will think of something.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Vendor

I had an interest in knowing the situation, but no negative vibrations now, he's probably much more with jobs and stuff

yes, I think/hope you're right

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

You misunderstood. I said nothing about being an athiest. I was talking about his idea to abolish religion. Freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, freedom of worship, all out the window with any kind of ban like that.

I was more about the second sentence you wrote, where it reads: Shall we all go out and get Mao suits?

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I was more about the second sentence you wrote, where it reads: Shall we all go out and get Mao suits?

Yep you misunderstood. My reference to Mao had to do with state control over personal beliefs, not the beliefs themselves. Deny God all you want and I would never call you a Maoist, but attempt to control the beliefs of others and Maoist would be one of the more gentle things i'd call you.

[Gerald]

Anyone seen, heard, Castout recently

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Armistead

[Even though I'm more agnostic these days, even atheism is a organized belief system, same as socialism, communism, ect. Seems we will always have some type of system, either worshipping God or man in some form.

I think you are wrong here.

Atheism is not an "Ism":
When people talk about "isms," they are referring to some "distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice" like liberalism, communism, conservatism, or pacifism. Atheism has the suffix "ism," so it belongs in this group, right? Wrong: the suffix "ism" also means a "state, condition, attribute, or quality" like pauperism, astigmatism, heroism, anachronism, or metabolism. Is astigmatism a theory? Is metabolism a doctrine? Is anachronism a practice? Not every word that ends in "ism" is a system of beliefs or an "ism" in the way people usually mean it. Failure to realize this can be behind other errors here.

http://atheism.about.com/od/definiti...smReligion.htm
I am a atheist, but not organized in any way.
I am just not a theist.

[Skybird]

Atheism is not an "ism" in itself. It is the absence of certain isms, namely those referring to theistic content.

It makes no sense to say that a glass that is emptied of the water in it, still is filled with something different if that something is just the same like the empty air around.

Edit:
Ah, I see the link provided by Fish says the same.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Anyone seen, heard, Castout recently

Got a message from him 2/01/11, said he had to go out to get a dvd to copy IL-2 for me hope he didn't get mugged

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by yubba

Got a message from him 2/01/11, said he had to go out to get a dvd to copy IL-2 for me hope he didn't get mugged

his last activity was on the 6th. The chances he got attacked are almost nonexistent but still... It does worry me a bit

[the_tyrant]

Castout updated his blog on February 12, 2011
hope he's fine

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by yubba

Got a message from him 2/01/11, said he had to go out to get a dvd to copy IL-2 for me hope he didn't get mugged

Yes,we must keep our fingers crossed!