Will SH5 one day be a measure of greatness?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Has Ubi actually said that? I think not.

I don't remember the exact thread or I'd quote it, but someone has alread quoted that it's in the EU-whatever it is. They actually have it officially written in the official comes-with-the-game official statement.

Or so I've been unofficially told.

Meh!
Ubi can shut things down tommorow for all I care.

They missed the boat months ago!
They know it, you know it, We all know it!

Let's talk in the REAL WORLD!
Not the fabricated world created by Ubi DRM haters.

Ubi tried and failed in a most glorious way to stop
you from useing the software as and when you wish.

They did all the calculations, followed the standard curve.
And what happened?
They got burned!

And if they shut down the servers without a patch?
There's a billion scum suckers waiting to launch Class Actions on them.
They won't risk that!
Not with BP dumping Oil in the Gulf!

[mobucks]

i read in interviews that duh if the DRM gets dropped they patch it out. Not really hard to do that to an EXE guys. Direct2Drive has to do it to their games.

I swear i love this quote i read on NMA.

"Pessimism is, in brief, playing the sure game. You cannot lose at it; you may gain. It is the only view of life in which you can never be disappointed. Having reckoned what to do in the worst possible circumstances, when better arise, as they may, life becomes child's play."
~Thomas Hardy

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Has Ubi actually said that? I think not. If I remember properly, the question was directly put to them, "if you turn off your servers

Yes Ubi have said that....

It's in the EULA

3- Use of the Multimedia Product

The User is authorised to use the Multimedia Product in accordance with the instructions provided in the manual or on the packaging of the Multimedia Product.
The Licence is granted solely for private use.

It is not permitted:
- To make copies of the Multimedia Product,
- To operate the Multimedia Product commercially,
- To use it contrary to morality or the laws in force,
- To modify the Multimedia Product or create any derived work,
- To transmit the Multimedia Product via a telephone network or any other electronic means, except during multi-player games on authorised networks,
- To create or distribute unauthorised levels and/or scenarios,
- To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product.

The Multimedia Product can only be played after the User registers the Multimedia Product and obtains a unique ubi.com account. This Multimedia Product is distributed solely for use by the authorized end User who has registered the Multimedia Product and obtained a unique ubi.com account.

The User cannot transfer, sell, resell, sublicense, rent or lease the Multimedia Product to a third party.

You understand and agree that this Multimedia Product requires an online connection at all times and the Multimedia Product must be played through the Internet services provided at ubi.com. In the event Ubisoft terminates or discontinues Internet services associated with this Multimedia Product, Ubisoft will provide a software update that will allow the User to utilize the Multimedia Product without connecting to Ubisoft's servers.

C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\EULA

So i guess that, if they dont release the patch to remove the DRM should the servers get switched off. Then they'll be in court.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Has Ubi actually said that?.

Yes.
Why would it be in Ubi's intreast to break consumer law and render their own product usless?
That is a bridge to far even for them.
And TBH if someone is so worried that this might happen, then why did they buy SHV in the first place?

Anyway my point was that, anyone who refuses to do something over some highly unlikely worst case scenario, may as well not bother getting out of bed in the morning.
By the same logic and we may as well just drop everything and live in fear of what 'could 'potentially happen in every single day to day scenario.

Dont get on a plane, as it might crash
Dont buy expensive goods, as they might get stolen.
Dont eat food, as it might be poisoned
Dont have loved ones as they might turn on you one day.
etc etc

'Can' and 'Will' are two very different things and nothing in this life is without risks.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Yes.
Why would it be in Ubi's intreast to break consumer law and render their own product usless?
That is a bridge to far even for them.
And TBH if someone is so worried that this might happen, then why did they buy SHV in the first place?

Anyway my point was that, anyone who refuses to do something over some highly unlikely worst case scenario, may as well not bother getting out of bed in the morning.
By the same logic and we may as well just drop everything and live in fear of what 'could 'potentially happen in every single day to day scenario.

Dont get on a plane, as it might crash
Dont buy expensive goods, as they might get stolen.
Dont eat food, as it might be poisoned
Dont have loved ones as they might turn on you one day.
etc etc

'Can' and 'Will' are two very different things and nothing in this life is without risks.

+1

Very wise words indeed.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Has Ubi actually said that? I think not. If I remember properly, the question was directly put to them, "if you turn off your servers, we're out of business. What assurance do we have that you won't do that?" Ubi's reply was a weasely "well at this time we have no plans to do that and we would certainly hope to issue a patch if that ever happened."

Wishful thinking is no basis to enter into a contractual arrangement with a company who has the right to shut you down for no reason and with no warning. Ubi has that unquestioned and unlimited right.

There is no language in the EULA requiring the patch to happen. Therefore any legal action would be laughed out of court. EA did disconnect the servers for two games less than a year old and it stuck. No judgments against EA. No apologies from EA. Just "in your face bubs." Corporations can get very cold and hard-hearted. We need to expect it and govern our behavior responsibly.

You wouldn't buy a house if the seller had the right to bulldoze it without warning at any time in the future, would you? Or would you say it was OK because China could nuke us all into talcum powder anyway? No, you would insist that your rights be protected in the contract or you wouldn't enter into the agreement.

So unlike the bad analogy with China, where there is no historical evidence of China ever going to war for the purpose of conquering even close neighbors (Tibet is arguable either way). They are not and never have been an imperialist nation. They do not have a European outlook on the glory of conquest.

However game companies regularly engage in the behavior of cutting their losses by withdrawing support for a game, and in the case of servers, eliminating them to save money. It is no stretch to predict that Ubi would do the same. Already, silence says that we will see no future patches, there is no dev team, no work is being done on their part to give SH5 a future. SH5 is dead. The only life it has left is right here at Subsim.

Isn't it ironic that Jagex has over 150 servers for a free game and Ubi has 3 for a formerly premium priced one? It says something about commitment. It's essential that someone work on the private server angle without implementing it so that when those three switches move to the off position owners of the game have recourse.

The problem here with this RR is UBI has much more invested in other games requiring DRM and these games are revenue generators. These game share the same server as SH5.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Anyway my point was that, anyone who refuses to do something over some highly unlikely worst case scenario, may as well not bother getting out of bed in the morning.
By the same logic and we may as well just drop everything and live in fear of what 'could 'potentially happen in every single day to day scenario.

[AVGWarhawk]

Anyway my point was that, anyone who refuses to do something over some highly unlikely worst case scenario, may as well not bother getting out of bed in the morning.
By the same logic and we may as well just drop everything and live in fear of what 'could 'potentially happen in every single day to day scenario.

Like RDP..I agree lock, stock and barrel.

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Yes.
Why would it be in Ubi's intreast to break consumer law and render their own product usless?
That is a bridge to far even for them.
And TBH if someone is so worried that this might happen, then why did they buy SHV in the first place?

Anyway my point was that, anyone who refuses to do something over some highly unlikely worst case scenario, may as well not bother getting out of bed in the morning.
By the same logic and we may as well just drop everything and live in fear of what 'could 'potentially happen in every single day to day scenario.

Dont get on a plane, as it might crash
Dont buy expensive goods, as they might get stolen.
Dont eat food, as it might be poisoned
Dont have loved ones as they might turn on you one day.
etc etc

'Can' and 'Will' are two very different things and nothing in this life is without risks.

This is a Excellent post , I totally and completely Agree

[scratch81]

Originally Posted by tonschk

This is a Excellent post , I totally and completely Agree

I disagree, simply because you might be wrong.

If you were not around when SH3 came out?
You missed pretty much the same crap posts.
Same with SH4.
We were ripped off and and on and on and on!
Get over it Guys!
You are Adults right?
(Based on averages gathered by unknown sources not totally Legal)
Do us all a favor please.
Just stop the BS!
SH5 will be a Master Piece down the line!
But demanding this to happen in less then 3 months?
What World do you live on that makes you see this happening?
I might want to move there!

We (Myself included) have trashed the Dev's
so bad it's no wonder they no longer post here.
Yet you demand they answer your petty blettings?

We rate ourselves way to high at times.
Then slam on others we barely know because they did not do what we want.
When we want it and how we want it.


In truth?
We are a sorry lot of people at times.

[Sailor Steve]

I beg to differ. I'm a sorry lot of people all the time!

But I agree that given time this could well be the most memorable sim ever.

I'll modify my post then to say:
We are a sorry lot of people at times.
Except for Sailor Steve.
He's sorry all the time.
(Richard!)

[Rockin Robbins]

Actually, what JU 88 posted makes no sense at all since it merely replaced pessimism based on EA's past behavior, logically extending it to Ubi's direction. Why would a game company?..... Why DID EA? It stuck. No lawsuits prevailed. Wishful thinking does not refute pessimism. It merely replaces one opinion with another.

However, what jwilliams posted, quoting from the EULA, makes tons of sense. Ubi thereby entered into a couple of thousand (however many copies they/ve sold to the end user) written contracts to patch out the DRM if they disconnect the servers. Therefore, I can heartily state that the Sword of Damocles is made of cardboard in this case. Ubi would disconnect the servers and leave players hanging at their peril.

So the only real negative effect of the DRM is that you can't play the game without a full-time connection and the secondary market, your fair use right with all other copyrighted material, has been denied to you. However, this devalued the product to the point that the primary market prices are depressed to where the resale market would have been without the DRM nonsense. Looks like a home run for Ubi to me!

Still, I say the only life SH5 has is right here at Subsim. I'm glad that Privateer and company aren't wasting their time and hope all of you have great success with the game. You certainly have your work cut out for you. Maybe next year this time SH5 will be a real subsim. You guys certainly are capable enough if there aren't horrible obstacles in the hard coding.