Will SH5 one day be a measure of greatness?

[IanC]

I used to think it was just a matter of time untill SH5 became great, but now I'm not so sure.
SH3 achieved 'greatness' with GWX because, patched to 1.4b, it had a pretty solid foundation to build on.
But with SH5... how great can you build a building if the foundation is rotten? Ubi needs to pour some high quality cement and give us a couple more patches.

Why do ubi not give an update on what's happening?
I understand Dan posts on here, can Dan not let us know if he's working on a patch or if an expansion is in the works?

Originally Posted by JU_88

Not at all mate

I didn't think so.

So here's a shot of a ship in progress.
It's an Ambient Occlusion testing Render.


The Type 14 Milk Cow in Goblin.

[AVGWarhawk]

So there's your main problem. Mods could make SH5 the best subsim in the world and the next day Ubi can just shut it down, rendering all that work worthless.

I would suspect that legally it can not be done. But, if you look closely at SH5 in the Document folder for SH5 there is the rich saved game and saved game folders. This begs the question....if my games are saved on the server why do I need these two saved game folders locally? These are the same folders used by SH4 yet SH4 does not have DRM. In short, the game is ready to be played without having to be connected with DRM. The folders are there to save locally much like SH4. The only switch that will be hit is the one that eliminates having to be connected by DRM. I think UBI would be in a world of trouble if the server was just switched off and UBI said, "Oh well." Let's not forget the nice .exe file loaded on patch 2 for SH4 that eliminated having to use your disc to start the game.

[AVGWarhawk]

Nice work Privateer. Can these be imported to the game? I heard that might be an issue.

The only issue I and others have found is the exact steps needed to get
things right for importing the new dats.
I'm working on programs to speed this up.

The biggest slow down is that my system will not run SH5.

I do theory based work, then send the files off for testing.
(unless I can get on my Stepson's system)
Then reports come back and I adjust as needed.
That process can take 2 days for a minor adjustment.

But I can say that things are looking very good for useing dats
in many ways!

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I would suspect that legally it can not be done. But, if you look closely at SH5 in the Document folder for SH5 there is the rich saved game and saved game folders. This begs the question....if my games are saved on the server why do I need these two saved game folders locally? These are the same folders used by SH4 yet SH4 does not have DRM. In short, the game is ready to be played without having to be connected with DRM. The folders are there to save locally much like SH4. The only switch that will be hit is the one that eliminates having to be connected by DRM. I think UBI would be in a world of trouble if the server was just switched off and UBI said, "Oh well." Let's not forget the nice .exe file loaded on patch 2 for SH4 that eliminated having to use your disc to start the game.

Ubi would be sued to the ends of the Earth should they not keep that final promise.
Class Action LawSuit is a phrase no business likes to hear mumbled about!
Unless your business is a Law Company.

That work looks fantastic Privateer.
How did you start getting into modelling those?
My wife has a computer science masters degree and she hates computers!
Strange!

The 3D models are by Ju88.
I do 3D models but not as well as he does!
I'm merely the one who spends way to much time figureing out
how to get them in the Game properly.

My computer skills go way back with no real training at all.
I even had my own ISP at one time!

Then worked for Lawyers and Judges for awhile,
did some repair work for several Major system Builders.

Mostly?
It's just my hobby.

I do construction work to earn my money.

But I am VERY good at that.

I am in construction myself,self employed.
I think it's amazing how you guys can mod these games.
For me it's why pc games stand the test of time and why I never delete them from my HDD.
It's a great hobby pc building, only last year did I build my pc and already it's watercooled and my wife thinks it's like something NASA built!

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

So there's your main problem. Mods could make SH5 the best subsim in the world and the next day Ubi can just shut it down, rendering all that work worthless.

And also the next day, China could just randomly decide to nuke us all to radioactive dust, this would equally make Sh5 mods usless.
Hell, I could steal my lunch tomorrow instead of paying for it, but it doesnt mean I will.
Ubi has already stated that if the servers go off, the patch comes out. ..

[Sailor Steve]

But it doesn't mean you won't, either, you evil nasty person, you!

"Always look on the bright...si-ide of life, doo doo, doo doo doo dee doo..."

[Bubblehead1980]

Only 7 ships? That is just ****ty

They probably have Tuna Sandwiches anyway.

Or cold McDonalds which heated up in a microwave taste worse then Tuna!

Now I have to duck because the Evil DRM is flying over me.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by JU_88

And also the next day, China could just randomly decide to nuke us all to radioactive dust, this would equally make Sh5 mods usless.
Hell, I could steal my lunch tomorrow instead of paying for it, but it doesnt mean I will.
Ubi has already stated that if the servers go off, the patch comes out.

Has Ubi actually said that? I think not. If I remember properly, the question was directly put to them, "if you turn off your servers, we're out of business. What assurance do we have that you won't do that?" Ubi's reply was a weasely "well at this time we have no plans to do that and we would certainly hope to issue a patch if that ever happened."

Wishful thinking is no basis to enter into a contractual arrangement with a company who has the right to shut you down for no reason and with no warning. Ubi has that unquestioned and unlimited right.

There is no language in the EULA requiring the patch to happen. Therefore any legal action would be laughed out of court. EA did disconnect the servers for two games less than a year old and it stuck. No judgments against EA. No apologies from EA. Just "in your face bubs." Corporations can get very cold and hard-hearted. We need to expect it and govern our behavior responsibly.

You wouldn't buy a house if the seller had the right to bulldoze it without warning at any time in the future, would you? Or would you say it was OK because China could nuke us all into talcum powder anyway? No, you would insist that your rights be protected in the contract or you wouldn't enter into the agreement.

So unlike the bad analogy with China, where there is no historical evidence of China ever going to war for the purpose of conquering even close neighbors (Tibet is arguable either way). They are not and never have been an imperialist nation. They do not have a European outlook on the glory of conquest.

However game companies regularly engage in the behavior of cutting their losses by withdrawing support for a game, and in the case of servers, eliminating them to save money. It is no stretch to predict that Ubi would do the same. Already, silence says that we will see no future patches, there is no dev team, no work is being done on their part to give SH5 a future. SH5 is dead. The only life it has left is right here at Subsim.

Isn't it ironic that Jagex has over 150 servers for a free game and Ubi has 3 for a formerly premium priced one? It says something about commitment. It's essential that someone work on the private server angle without implementing it so that when those three switches move to the off position owners of the game have recourse.