Seriously, would you dare... - Page 4

Frederf · 01-31-10, 09:54 PM

All in all Starforce was pretty mild. It was offline, no marketing gathering data, all game data was local. It was just some anti-piracy software that wasn't written the best and got a little too deep in the local machine.

Girlfriend thinks this stuff is pretty boring but can see my point. I don't think she sees why it's important to get upset about it. I am sad to use Nazis as a reference but it is like the saying "First they came for the communists, then my neighbors, and I did not speak out..." I see people break $100 software CD and go and buy a replacement without knowing about things like "replacement media" and "separation of media and license." People usually are like sheep and will accept a lot, mostly because they don't know.

When the boat is going slowly to a waterfall it is you that looks crazy panicking. "Sit down you are rocking the boat, crazy person."

GoldenRivet · 01-31-10, 10:02 PM

I did in fact talk about the DRM/OSP to my wife the other day at dinner.

I explained the situation to her.

she expressed that her opinion was "If you buy the game it seems that you should be able to use it any time you want... no matter what your internet connection's status might be."

she is a smart girl

Méo · 01-31-10, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

People usually are like sheep and will accept a lot, mostly because they don't know.

They don't know what exactly?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frederf

When the boat is going slowly to a waterfall it is you that looks crazy panicking. "Sit down you are rocking the boat, crazy person."

With such example, could you say that Chesley Sullenberger (the pilot who successfully landed his plane on the Hudson river) should have panicked instead of staying calm?

Steeltrap · 01-31-10, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I did in fact talk about the DRM/OSP to my wife the other day at dinner.

I explained the situation to her.

she expressed that her opinion was "If you buy the game it seems that you should be able to use it any time you want... no matter what your internet connection's status might be."

she is a smart girl

Apart from marrying you? (j/k)

Frederf · 02-01-10, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Méo

They don't know what exactly?

With such example, could you say that Chesley Sullenberger (the pilot who successfully landed his plane on the Hudson river) should have panicked instead of staying calm?

They don't know things like "Your cell phone and cell phone service can be separate products" which can lead to poor customer choices.

Of course not since that was a case of staying calm while doing the right thing. Many people are ignorant or complacent with wrongdoing by firms in terms of customer rights which means unhelpful inaction when some level of action would be prudent.

conus00 · 02-01-10, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveU186

Who dares wins.

S.A.S. FTW!

But to answer THE question: Yes, I would. As a matter of fact I have raised the question of DRM in SH5 with my girlfriend... Alas she is more interested in other "games".

So I think I will play along...

Seriously: I would love to have a word with people responsible for the marketing decisions. I would ask them one simple question: "How did you manage to f**k up so bad such a promising franchise?"

JScones · 02-01-10, 04:04 AM

Interesting question.

For me, the subject hasn't come up outside of this forum. But if it did, I'd talk freely about it.

bigboywooly · 02-01-10, 11:59 AM

Discussed it at work today as it happens
Quite a few " casual " gamers there some who play SH3/4

All decided they wouldnt be buying SH5 due to the online connection needed
So the casual gaming market isnt interested either - well the ones I know

HundertzehnGustav · 02-01-10, 02:31 PM

brought up the issue with the other IT students.

the end of the discussion was:

Quote:

cloud computing for the win. But Games???

Iranon · 02-01-10, 02:47 PM

I would rant about things like this to my friends if I had any (hmm, maybe that is a reason why I don't).
Are there worse things? Yes. Disease, hunger, violence, not having had a girl in years, war, processed cheese... the list is endless.

However, I think it's indicative of the atittude in public/corporate life changing for the worse. An ever-increasing prevalence of dodgy practices (Restrictive licenses when you think you bought something. Attempts to trick you into subscriptions you don't in fact want. An appaling lack of respect for your privacy, by both businesses and governments. Hidden attempts to cut costs while charging full price by craftsmen. Etc, etc.) undermines the atmosphere of trust and professionalism that's required to make a market society work well.

I feel ever more inclined to satisfy more of my needs via bartering, open software, homegrown/made stuff... and I'm an economist.

Iron Budokan · 02-01-10, 02:55 PM

Actually, I may blog about it later this week on LJ. Especially now that I've had time to look at the RPG elements of the game.

Oh. Yes. I'll have lots to say about that.

Rosencrantz · 02-01-10, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Méo

To everyone:

Don't get me wrong this wasn't a ''Get-a-Life'' message thread.

What I really meant is that, if some talk with their entourage about DRM with the same level of anger and exasperation than they talk about it here, then maybe it's gonna be what people around them will think: Get a life!

Well, I was just joking... really.

-RC-

Ducimus · 02-01-10, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Méo

[B]Seriously, would you dare to speak about DRM (and how much it's a drama for you) in plublic, I mean... with your girlfriend, your friends, your teammate at work, your family, etc.

Yeah, id say something like.

"Hey man, wanna hear some bull? Games by this Publisher made it so you have to be online to play a f*king single player game, and it won't work without a constant internet connection. Like it's an MMO or some such crap. I'll bet they start charging monthy fee's next."

Thats exactly what id say in real life. It's not far fetched.

JU_88 · 02-01-10, 08:58 PM

No
number 1, most would tell me to get a life

.
number 2 DRM is not that big a drama for me anyway.

Highbury · 02-01-10, 10:23 PM

All of my friends, and my wife, are gamers. Some of them fans of the SH series. I have talked about this sitting in a group with them...

01-31-10, 10:02 PM	#47
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I did in fact talk about the DRM/OSP to my wife the other day at dinner. I explained the situation to her. she expressed that her opinion was "If you buy the game it seems that you should be able to use it any time you want... no matter what your internet connection's status might be." she is a smart girl __________________

02-01-10, 11:59 AM	#53
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Discussed it at work today as it happens Quite a few " casual " gamers there some who play SH3/4 All decided they wouldnt be buying SH5 due to the online connection needed So the casual gaming market isnt interested either - well the ones I know __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

02-01-10, 02:55 PM	#56
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Actually, I may blog about it later this week on LJ. Especially now that I've had time to look at the RPG elements of the game. Oh. Yes. I'll have lots to say about that. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

01-31-10, 09:54 PM	#46
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	All in all Starforce was pretty mild. It was offline, no marketing gathering data, all game data was local. It was just some anti-piracy software that wasn't written the best and got a little too deep in the local machine. Girlfriend thinks this stuff is pretty boring but can see my point. I don't think she sees why it's important to get upset about it. I am sad to use Nazis as a reference but it is like the saying "First they came for the communists, then my neighbors, and I did not speak out..." I see people break $100 software CD and go and buy a replacement without knowing about things like "replacement media" and "separation of media and license." People usually are like sheep and will accept a lot, mostly because they don't know. When the boat is going slowly to a waterfall it is you that looks crazy panicking. "Sit down you are rocking the boat, crazy person."

02-01-10, 04:04 AM	#52
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Interesting question. For me, the subject hasn't come up outside of this forum. But if it did, I'd talk freely about it.

02-01-10, 02:47 PM	#55
Iranon Loader Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 89 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I would rant about things like this to my friends if I had any (hmm, maybe that is a reason why I don't). Are there worse things? Yes. Disease, hunger, violence, not having had a girl in years, war, processed cheese... the list is endless. However, I think it's indicative of the atittude in public/corporate life changing for the worse. An ever-increasing prevalence of dodgy practices (Restrictive licenses when you think you bought something. Attempts to trick you into subscriptions you don't in fact want. An appaling lack of respect for your privacy, by both businesses and governments. Hidden attempts to cut costs while charging full price by craftsmen. Etc, etc.) undermines the atmosphere of trust and professionalism that's required to make a market society work well. I feel ever more inclined to satisfy more of my needs via bartering, open software, homegrown/made stuff... and I'm an economist.

02-01-10, 08:58 PM	#59
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	No number 1, most would tell me to get a life . number 2 DRM is not that big a drama for me anyway.

02-01-10, 10:23 PM	#60
Highbury The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: 51.557, -0.102 Posts: 1,311 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	All of my friends, and my wife, are gamers. Some of them fans of the SH series. I have talked about this sitting in a group with them...