Suggested Antipiracy Weapon For Ubi (merged) - Page 4

coronas · 01-30-10, 07:50 AM

Hold the line!!!

HundertzehnGustav · 01-30-10, 08:01 AM

MOOOOOOooooooo

janh · 01-30-10, 11:42 AM

Indeed let the wallet vote. If you are willing to sacrifice your customer rights for SHV, fine, enjoy it. Nothing wrong with it. But what DRM will come next?

I thought the music industry and online stores particularly have learned from the DRM disaster and removing copy protections. Piracy is overstated, and nobody comes up with hard numbers. Many causes for piracy -- lack of demo, lack of quality of products (no new features other than polished graphics, which only attracts younger, less "financially liquid" gamers, etc; no new game ideas; setbacks even in comparison to earlier titles of the owen series etc.). I have grown up with games on C64 and early PC days, and I tell you those were others days. Games came up with new features, and functions, and realism, and a lesson in history, physics or anything "exciting". But just "new engine, better wave effcts, new graphic explosions" or similar details were low on the list on the backside of your new box...
Now if customers don't feel being taken serious by delivering them a products that enhance previous qualities sufficiently for the given price... Customers are not fools, and lobbying politicians to crank down on copyright etc. will be only a short term fix for the symptom, but in the long run low quality will at some point mean low sales. However, it is cheaper than investing double the time into a product. I am not an expert on this, but I have the impression the consumer IT industrie cranks out products at a much faster rate than 10 years ago. No development time, likely no real progress.

The gaming market has seen a lot of dynamics. Well, DYNAMICS Aces of the Deep, after the Silent Service series surely the best of the subsims still. SH3 close on the heels. But that shows that there is no reason why another competitor won't pick up the subject soon after they watch UBI getting the proper market response from customers. And I bet you in 3-5 years a competitor will provide us with what you can consider a sequel to "Aces of the Deep" or the SH series. They are just waiting. I have been waiting a long time since AoD, so why not wait another 3-5 years for something that is worth my rare leisure time then. Until then, there are plenty other good games without nasty DRM on the market. And UBI's competitors will hopefully be more thankful for my money.

JScones · 01-30-10, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iron Budokan

I was checking up on the Internet. Man, they are really ripping this DRM stuff over at Eurogamer....

I did a general Google last night - they're ripping into it everywhere; in most of the upcoming game forums!

Funny in a sense, because the threads are exactly the same as here, with the same arguments, same counter-arguments etc and so forth.

longam · 01-30-10, 07:12 PM

I just downloaded the ROF demo and played it with DRM and it really wasn't that much different then without it.

I don't know, I'm starting to think we don't want it because it has become the norm of the forum to see negative.

I have to trust on a stable internet connection to a server somewhere in someplace everyday for our corp email and ISP to work. You have to trust on a server somewhere and someplace to get on the internet everyday. You have to trust on a server somewhere and someplace to be here and posting everyday.

I'm changing my view and buying SH5 with or without DRM. I just hope that it makes a difference on piracy so we can have some great games to come in the future.

longam

Méo · 01-30-10, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Funny in a sense, because the threads are exactly the same as here, with the same arguments, same counter-arguments etc and so forth.

Are those arguments based on something concrete?

I didn't see all comments in every threads here, but that's what it seems to be missing here, IMO.

What I would like to see is some CONCRETE EVIDENCE that DRM used in other games was a failure (cause we cannot base our reasoning on a game that we haven't tested yet).

I guess I'm not learning you anything new when I say that things like:
I don't want to, I hate it, it's crap, etc. are not evidence.

The thing is that I would like to be objectively convinced by some real evidence, links, you know...

It's kinda boring to see only expression of anger...

At the risk to agree once again with you.

HundertzehnGustav · 01-30-10, 07:22 PM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...41&postcount=1

this gentleman right here said something INDICATING it does not do the game any good.
But no numbers.

Brag · 01-30-10, 07:34 PM

Being a keen student of FU's, I have followed the War on Drugs, The War on Terror and many other balls-ups. If Ubi has such huge loses to piracy, it would behoove it to do something that works.

Hit pirates where it hurts. Like legit companies, pirates need customers. So, lure customers away from pirates.

Give customers incentives to buy the legitiate, true product.

If you had a monthly raffle for registred customers with a substantial cash reward, let's say 1,000 euros or a sexy computer and let's say another 10 prizes of 100 euros, there would be a strong incentive to buy from you and legitimate retail outlets than from pirates. This would be much cheaper than messing with servers, which only increase your risks of exposure to hackers.

Have contests, get closer to your client base, make it fun for someone to belong to a Ubi club. Use your imagination on the positive cures to problems..

You know that there is a rebellion among your hardcore SH clients. This is a perfect opportunity to approach them and learn how to keep clients happy.

We all wish Ubi well. Just don't shove ugly stuff down our throat.

Moo,
Brag

PS: If you don't know what moo stnds for, you lack knowledge of your client base.

01-30-10, 07:38 PM

sort of like "don't pee on my leg, then tell me its raining"

Méo · 01-30-10, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...41&postcount=1

this gentleman right here said something INDICATING it does not do the game any good.
But no numbers.

Interesting, but it is only a single example (it may be an exception, who knows?), nothing tells me it represents a global situation.

Stealth Hunter · 01-30-10, 07:46 PM

I've still got the game under my Amazon preorders. How many others are left?

Really, the whole online thing doesn't bother me at all. But then again, I rarely have problems with it. I still love Rise of Flight, and the only thing that could make me not love SH5 is if they completely mess up the game mechanics. Otherwise, I don't really care. If I can play it, and I like how it plays, all's well in Denmark.

HundertzehnGustav · 01-30-10, 07:52 PM

more like: show us your smile as you hold your newly aquired SHV disk, and you might win a SHV T-shirt!

Elder-Pirate · 01-30-10, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brag

The secret password of the rebellion is MOO

If you haven't visited the Are We Cattle? thread, find out why MOO is the word.

Mhen you say MOO, we know who you are and what you mean.

MOOOOoooooooooo

TwistedFemur · 01-30-10, 08:06 PM

just my 2 cents. Take it for what its worth.

I bought Rise of Flight and enjoyed it immensly (sp) until.......

After a few weeks of playing as the ROF community grew and more and more people bought and played it. I noticed that i was getting more and more "lost connection to master server" errors as the server struggled with all the conections.

well I guess my point is.... there is going to be a point where the server is not going to be able to handle all the connections.

As an anti-pirating scheme required internet connection works well and to my knowledge ROF has not been successfully copied.....but...... hundreds, if not thousands of people have decided not to buy it because of the internet connection requirement and the extremely long load times as the server checks the code at start up and in between each mission.

THE_MASK · 01-30-10, 08:25 PM

SH5 could be activated once online when first installed . They need to offer DLC thru there OSP such as new subs . No need to be constantly connected to play SH5 .

01-30-10, 07:50 AM	#46
coronas Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Asturias, España Posts: 1,168 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Hold the line!!! __________________

01-30-10, 08:01 AM	#47
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	MOOOOOOooooooo __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-30-10, 11:42 AM	#48
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	the wallet Indeed let the wallet vote. If you are willing to sacrifice your customer rights for SHV, fine, enjoy it. Nothing wrong with it. But what DRM will come next? I thought the music industry and online stores particularly have learned from the DRM disaster and removing copy protections. Piracy is overstated, and nobody comes up with hard numbers. Many causes for piracy -- lack of demo, lack of quality of products (no new features other than polished graphics, which only attracts younger, less "financially liquid" gamers, etc; no new game ideas; setbacks even in comparison to earlier titles of the owen series etc.). I have grown up with games on C64 and early PC days, and I tell you those were others days. Games came up with new features, and functions, and realism, and a lesson in history, physics or anything "exciting". But just "new engine, better wave effcts, new graphic explosions" or similar details were low on the list on the backside of your new box... Now if customers don't feel being taken serious by delivering them a products that enhance previous qualities sufficiently for the given price... Customers are not fools, and lobbying politicians to crank down on copyright etc. will be only a short term fix for the symptom, but in the long run low quality will at some point mean low sales. However, it is cheaper than investing double the time into a product. I am not an expert on this, but I have the impression the consumer IT industrie cranks out products at a much faster rate than 10 years ago. No development time, likely no real progress. The gaming market has seen a lot of dynamics. Well, DYNAMICS Aces of the Deep, after the Silent Service series surely the best of the subsims still. SH3 close on the heels. But that shows that there is no reason why another competitor won't pick up the subject soon after they watch UBI getting the proper market response from customers. And I bet you in 3-5 years a competitor will provide us with what you can consider a sequel to "Aces of the Deep" or the SH series. They are just waiting. I have been waiting a long time since AoD, so why not wait another 3-5 years for something that is worth my rare leisure time then. Until then, there are plenty other good games without nasty DRM on the market. And UBI's competitors will hopefully be more thankful for my money.

01-30-10, 07:22 PM	#52
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...41&postcount=1 this gentleman right here said something INDICATING it does not do the game any good. But no numbers. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-30-10, 07:34 PM	#53
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Suggested Antipiracy Weapon For Ubi Being a keen student of FU's, I have followed the War on Drugs, The War on Terror and many other balls-ups. If Ubi has such huge loses to piracy, it would behoove it to do something that works. Hit pirates where it hurts. Like legit companies, pirates need customers. So, lure customers away from pirates. Give customers incentives to buy the legitiate, true product. If you had a monthly raffle for registred customers with a substantial cash reward, let's say 1,000 euros or a sexy computer and let's say another 10 prizes of 100 euros, there would be a strong incentive to buy from you and legitimate retail outlets than from pirates. This would be much cheaper than messing with servers, which only increase your risks of exposure to hackers. Have contests, get closer to your client base, make it fun for someone to belong to a Ubi club. Use your imagination on the positive cures to problems.. You know that there is a rebellion among your hardcore SH clients. This is a perfect opportunity to approach them and learn how to keep clients happy. We all wish Ubi well. Just don't shove ugly stuff down our throat. Moo, Brag PS: If you don't know what moo stnds for, you lack knowledge of your client base. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/ Last edited by Brag; 01-30-10 at 08:14 PM.

01-30-10, 07:12 PM	#50
longam Admiral Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,014 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	I just downloaded the ROF demo and played it with DRM and it really wasn't that much different then without it. I don't know, I'm starting to think we don't want it because it has become the norm of the forum to see negative. I have to trust on a stable internet connection to a server somewhere in someplace everyday for our corp email and ISP to work. You have to trust on a server somewhere and someplace to get on the internet everyday. You have to trust on a server somewhere and someplace to be here and posting everyday. I'm changing my view and buying SH5 with or without DRM. I just hope that it makes a difference on piracy so we can have some great games to come in the future. longam

01-30-10, 07:38 PM	#54
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	sort of like "don't pee on my leg, then tell me its raining"

01-30-10, 07:46 PM	#56
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I've still got the game under my Amazon preorders. How many others are left? Really, the whole online thing doesn't bother me at all. But then again, I rarely have problems with it. I still love Rise of Flight, and the only thing that could make me not love SH5 is if they completely mess up the game mechanics. Otherwise, I don't really care. If I can play it, and I like how it plays, all's well in Denmark.

01-30-10, 07:52 PM	#57
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	more like: show us your smile as you hold your newly aquired SHV disk, and you might win a SHV T-shirt! __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

01-30-10, 08:06 PM	#59
TwistedFemur Frogman Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 302 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	just my 2 cents. Take it for what its worth. I bought Rise of Flight and enjoyed it immensly (sp) until....... After a few weeks of playing as the ROF community grew and more and more people bought and played it. I noticed that i was getting more and more "lost connection to master server" errors as the server struggled with all the conections. well I guess my point is.... there is going to be a point where the server is not going to be able to handle all the connections. As an anti-pirating scheme required internet connection works well and to my knowledge ROF has not been successfully copied.....but...... hundreds, if not thousands of people have decided not to buy it because of the internet connection requirement and the extremely long load times as the server checks the code at start up and in between each mission. __________________ <a href="http://www.dewmocracy.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.dewmocracy.com/images/banner_distortion.jpg" border="0" alt="Vote for MTN DEW(R) Distortion(TM) - Dewmocracy.com" /></a>

01-30-10, 08:25 PM	#60
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	SH5 could be activated once online when first installed . They need to offer DLC thru there OSP such as new subs . No need to be constantly connected to play SH5 .