[QUE] Boycott / mass dynamic things not allowed?

urfisch · 01-26-10, 05:19 PM

...why? why are threads, which call for action are shut down?

anyone can decide on his own, wether he follows or not. this is like a democratic proclamation, which must not be censored. as carotio rightfully stated, which signal should we send, instead of not buying the game in the first days?? uhh...hard to answer.

please give people, who also ask themselves this question, an answer. i simply do not understand. fear of advocats and lawyers from ubi?...

Letum · 01-26-10, 05:24 PM

I would also like to know the reason behind this SSim policy.
The views of forum members are clearly not the views of SSim, so why
the censorship on this issue?

01-26-10, 05:31 PM

because it is seen as being promoted by subsim if it is allowed to be done here.

its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest

im sure neal with speak better on this then i can because i am not as well spoken

urfisch · 01-26-10, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

because it is seen as being promoted by subsim if it is allowed to be done here.

its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest

im sure neal with speak better on this then i can because i am not as well spoken

but if you cut these opinions off, you seem to promote the other side...thought about that?

thin line...

GoldenRivet · 01-26-10, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by urfisch

but if you cut these opinions off, you seem to promote the other side...thought about that?

thin line...

I dont know "Subsims" official position on the matter of Silent Hunter 5, but if it were up to me to come up with an official statement it would go like this.

"Silent Hunter 5 is the result of a lot of hard work on the part of many individuals at Ubisoft, their hard work is appreciated by all of us here at subsim! As we close to release date, we have heard much of the good, the bad and the ugly, some of it has been fact, some of it has been unsubstantiated rumor, but we will reserve our judgments of SH5 for a later date when we are able to officially review the released product.

Furthermore, as Subsim.com is a place for the promotion of submarine simulations and the companies / individuals that develop them, we feel that our forums are not the place for discussion or suggestion of boycott or any other actions which work against the development of present or future submarine simulations."

Letum · 01-26-10, 05:47 PM

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actions which work against the development of present or future submarine simulations.

Who says it would work against the interest of submarine simulations?

Would the point be that it would work in the interest of long-term subsim development?

Onkel Neal · 01-26-10, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Furthermore, as Subsim.com is a place for the promotion of submarine simulations and the companies / individuals that develop them, we feel that our forums are not the place for discussion or suggestion of boycott or any other actions which work against the development of present or future submarine simulations."

Wow, you wanna job?

Simply this, guys: boycotts are the nuclear weapon of community activism. People as individuals can determine for themselves if they want to buy a game or not.

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Originally Posted by Letum

But SubSim wouldn't be waging such a war.

No more than subsim is waging a war against 'political party x' when
someone in General Topics says people shouldn't vote for them.

You are right, but the core mission statement for Subsim has always been, to support sub game developers and the people who play subsims. Politics and sub games are apples and oranges.

Letum · 01-26-10, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

because it is seen as being promoted by subsim if it is allowed to be done here.

its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest

There are as many opinions on as many topics and protests and calls
for all sorts of different actions as there are members at subsim.
Especially in General Topics!

There is no worry that Subsim will be seen as promoting our political or
religious affiliations and/or griviencies when we mention them, or our
opinions on any other topic.
Why is this different?

Could this be something to do with Subsim not wanting to put game
publishers off giving Subsim things like pre-release access and
interviews etc?
That would be an understandable position, although perhaps of
dubious integrity.

01-26-10, 05:47 PM

while i cannot dissagree with your statements, my personal opinion has to be kept seperate from my actions as modderator and i wont presume to speak about neal's policies and guidelines so i sent him a PM asking him to make a statement here about your comments and opinions

GoldenRivet · 01-26-10, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

while i cannot dissagree with your statements i cant speak for neal so i sent him a PM asking him to make a statement here about your comments

I personally think the whole boycott discussion is over the top.

I dont know why most folks cannot reserve their judgements for some sort of official review.

its a shame no matter what side of the argument you sit upon

Platapus · 01-26-10, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest

Is it guilt by association when the General Topics forum is full of right wing nutters posting crap? Of course not. So why would it be guilt by association if people vent here about a game.

I think people need to get a more realistic viewpoint of this website. We are really not that important. We are just a bunch of game lovers posting our opinions on an internet forum. I doubt anyone outside of this website takes the opinions posted here seriously... nor should they.

I think it is hubris to think that posts need to be censured because of any association with the website.

Méo · 01-26-10, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I think people need to get a more realistic viewpoint of this website. We are really not that important.

With more than 40 000 members (without counting those who come here and who are not members) this website might be more important than you think.

ETR3(SS) · 01-26-10, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

With more than 40 000 members (without counting those who come here and who are not members) this website might be more important than you think.

With 6 billion people in the world we are truly an insignificant spec in the internet.

IanC · 01-26-10, 09:42 PM

40 000?? How come I only see the same 10 people all the time

Buddahaid · 01-26-10, 05:37 PM

Calling for action would seem to be a bit more than a viewpoint expressed. I think SubSim needs to keep impartial toward the vendors in order to have good relations that lead to development updates etc.

01-26-10, 05:19 PM	#1
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	[QUE] Boycott / mass dynamic things not allowed? ...why? why are threads, which call for action are shut down? anyone can decide on his own, wether he follows or not. this is like a democratic proclamation, which must not be censored. as carotio rightfully stated, which signal should we send, instead of not buying the game in the first days?? uhh...hard to answer. please give people, who also ask themselves this question, an answer. i simply do not understand. fear of advocats and lawyers from ubi?... __________________

01-26-10, 05:24 PM	#2
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I would also like to know the reason behind this SSim policy. The views of forum members are clearly not the views of SSim, so why the censorship on this issue? __________________

01-26-10, 05:31 PM	#3
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	because it is seen as being promoted by subsim if it is allowed to be done here. its guilt by association thing so we must remain objective and not seen to promote a protest im sure neal with speak better on this then i can because i am not as well spoken

01-26-10, 05:47 PM	#9
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	while i cannot dissagree with your statements, my personal opinion has to be kept seperate from my actions as modderator and i wont presume to speak about neal's policies and guidelines so i sent him a PM asking him to make a statement here about your comments and opinions

01-26-10, 09:42 PM	#14
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	40 000?? How come I only see the same 10 people all the time

01-26-10, 05:37 PM	#15
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Calling for action would seem to be a bit more than a viewpoint expressed. I think SubSim needs to keep impartial toward the vendors in order to have good relations that lead to development updates etc.