Saudis Would Allow Israel to Attack Iran

[geetrue]

I don't like to look at life like a chess game due to it's limited moves, but in a chess game you can look ahead to the possible moves your opponet might make.

Remember what the president of Iran said a few months ago about what Iran really wanted to do with their new nuclear power program?

They have already extended their hand to the other muslim countries around them to help them advance to the same level Iran has now obtained.

If I were in the war room (like in Dr Strangelove) (just saw that movie again last week on TCM) I would certainly make the deduction that this could only mean spread the wealth of how to make a nuclear weapon to their muslim neighbors which in effect would become a honey comb of threats to the west, to the EU and to Israel.

Mr president I propose a first strike with an olive branch follow up with a warning that their oil fields will be next if they don't comply.

[Max2147]

I seem to remember that the decisions in the War Room didn't go terribly well....

Iran doesn't want other Muslim countries to have nuclear weapons, because they'd be aimed at Iran. For example, Saudi Arabia doesn't want nukes because they're afraid of Israel, they want them because they're afraid of Iran. A nuclear arms race among Muslim countries would be aimed at each other, not at an outside power.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Max2147

I seem to remember that the decisions in the War Room didn't go terribly well....

Iran doesn't want other Muslim countries to have nuclear weapons, because they'd be aimed at Iran. For example, Saudi Arabia doesn't want nukes because they're afraid of Israel, they want them because they're afraid of Iran. A nuclear arms race among Muslim countries would be aimed at each other, not at an outside power.

It was just a movie ... just a seed thought of what really goes on in there of course.

Iran may not want it's enemy neighbors to have nuclear weapons, but they did offer it to the lesser muslim countries nearby.

Searching google for an answer produced some surprising results though on what Iran's neighbors do want: http://www.armscontrol.org/print/2718

Israel is not the only Middle Eastern state indicating an interest in advancing a civil nuclear power program. About a dozen nations in the region have declared their interest in such programs in the past year.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Searching google for an answer produced some surprising results though on what Iran's neighbors do want: http://www.armscontrol.org/print/2718

How is that surprising? I thought the renewed interest in civilian nuclear power in the Middle East was pretty widely known.

There's a massive difference between sharing technology on civilian nuclear reactors and giving a country nuclear weapons. That's one of the major pillars of the NPT - countries with nuclear technology will share it with others, in return for those countries agreeing to abide by IAEA safeguards that prevent them from building nuclear weapons.

[Skybird]

However, Obama meanwhile has objected earlier statements by Biden. The Saudis also have rejected the news published by the Times that they have given permission to use their air space.

What of all that is true and what not, is impossible to tell with certainty. Obama has no other choice, no matter the facts, than to object Biden, else he would be seen as the helpless bystander of events dominated by Israeli policy making. And the Saudis of course cannot admit in public to allow Israeli forces the use of their air space. In this light all statements and comments must be seen.

I wonder if the Biden-Obama collision is signal for an internal conflict over the issue. A lot of people must think that Obama's idealism maybe is a bit distanced from harsh realities. And I must admit that despite his several charm offensives I am currently not overly impressed by Obama's politcal deeds so far. I give him the victory in congress regarding the health system reforms. If it will suzrvive the senate, remains to be seen. Beyond that, so far all we got from his are words. His foreign diplomacy is very idealistic - and so far only has encouraged hostile factions to try making America falling back. His spending and willing of new debts is questionable, to put it mildly. That's a score of 0.5 : 2.5 so far in my book (0.5:0.5 for the undecided health policy, 0:1 for foreign policy, and 0:1 in fiscal policy. No score for increasing the troop level in Afghanistan, since that is just reason and logic - and mujst be expected as minimum without needing to reward it).

But this presidency still is young.

[geetrue]

This Biden-Obama clash is really just an act ...

You have to be able to see through it to understand how these two minds work.

They work in unity:

Obama, "Joe you go ahead and tell the american people such and such"

"Then I will come in and say such and such ... got that"

Biden, "Yeah I think so boss" "You'll back me up, right"

Obama, "Well, not always Joe"

They talk, they discuss, they put on an act together ... it is like pre-thought out what they are going to say and do. They play the news game to their advantage.

end of story

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by geetrue

This Biden-Obama clash is really just an act ...

You have to be able to see through it to understand how these two minds work.

They work in unity:

Obama, "Joe you go ahead and tell the american people such and such"

"Then I will come in and say such and such ... got that"

Biden, "Yeah I think so boss" "You'll back me up, right"

Obama, "Well, not always Joe"

They talk, they discuss, they put on an act together ... it is like pre-thought out what they are going to say and do. They play the news game to their advantage.

end of story

I wouldn't quite say "end of story" at the end of that, unless you have some kind of evidence backing this up.

Biden's not doing anything different than what he's done for years.