Interesting 9/11 analysis

[Platapus]

With due respect to UDT/Seal training, their version of demolition training is geared toward the military tactical concept known as "blowing **** up". In EOD school we also under went demolition training. We learned to BSU. However, this is totally different from the civil engineering field of demolition. Ask any EOD troop who tried to apply for a civilian demolition job

Before I would entertain any theories of US conspiracy...just pause a moment and think about this. Can you really imagine the government blowing up their own buildings and killing their own citizens, adversely affecting entire economies? Do we really think this would happen?... There are far simpler ways to get the end result that are way easier to implement without the losses.......

Anyway, before I would entertain any theories of US conspiracy I would want to hear from a certified Civil Engineer experienced with that type of building and more importantly applicable demolition procedures for that structure type to weigh in. Some retired Seal, as much as I respect them, is not an authority of the complexities of high rise demolition effects. Explosive effects through structures is complicated and difficult to model completely.

The sad fact is that a bunch of highly motivated individuals managed to exploit a security weakness and crash an aircraft each into two high rise buildings.

Whether they intended to collapse the towers is unknown.
Whether they even expected to collapse the towers is unknown.

My opinion: If the objective was the ensured collapse of the towers, I would imagine it would be better to hit them a lot lower.

One of the best ways to refute a conspiracy is to accept it, for the sake of argument, and then analyze the logistics of implementing the conspiracy. Try that with this conspiracy and I wager you will find it to be an awfully complicated conspiracy with little payoff.

Oh by the way, Mr. Ventura. Jet fuel burns pretty fricking hot. One of the many problems with designing a jet engine is to prevent the fuel from burning through components made of pretty strong metal.

[Tchocky]

I take it that's the idea that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel?

All I can say to that is - pour petrol on your hand and light it. It won't melt you, but you'll run around a-whoopin' and a-hollerin'. Don't have to melt to be structurally unsound.

And since the talk has turned to conspiracy in general, have one from this week - http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/08...ussia.war.html

[August]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

Who are they? Them? Some independents? etc.

Again from the link you posted:

Key News and Updates

• Minutes of the NCST Advisory Committee meeting, December 18, 2007
• NIST Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster FAQs - Supplement (December 14, 2007)
• National Construction Safety Team Advisory Committee Meeting, December 18, 2007
• Federal Register Notice Seeking Nominations for Membership on NIST Federal Advisory Committees
• NIST Status Update on World Trade Center 7 Investigation
• NIST WTC Recommendations Spur New Model Building Codes
• Minutes of the NCST Advisory Committee meeting, December 14, 2006
• Presentation: "WTC 7 Technical Approach and Status Summary", December 12, 2006, Therese McAllister, NIST
• Testimony of Dr. S. Shyam Sunder Before New York City Council Joint Meeting, Committees on Lower Manhattan Redevelopment; Fire & Criminal Justice Services Hearing on “Oversight - Issues of Health and Safety Regarding the Storage of Diesel Fuel at 60 Hudson Street, Manhattan”, September 8, 2006
• Answers to Frequently Asked Questions About the NIST Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster
• Draft Report Available for Public Comment: Best Practices for Reducing the Potential for Progressive Collapse in Buildings
• Remarks on Progressive Collapse by Dr. S. Shyam Sunder at May 1, 2006 Meeting of NIBS Building Code Experts and Structural Engineering Organizations
• World Trade Center Study Spurs Improvement of Codes
• ICC Code Change Proposals
• NIST Statement on Progressive Collapse

NIST WTC Investigation General Information

• NIST Response to the World Trade Center Disaster (pdf)
• NIST Plan for the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster
• NIST's Investigation of the Sept. 11 World Trade Center Disaster - FAQs

Launch of NIST WTC Investigation - August 2002

• Commerce's NIST Details Federal Investigation of World Trade Center Collapse
• Remarks by Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr. at NIST WTC News Briefing
• Remarks by Dr. Shyam Sunder at NIST WTC News Briefing
• Highlights of Revisions to WTC Investigation Plan Based on Public Comments

Background on Related NIST Work

• National Construction Safety Team Advisory Committee
• National Construction Safety Team Technical Investigation Plan: The Station Nightclub, West Warwick, RI; February 20, 2003
• Construction Safety Investigations
• NIST Building Fire and Structural Failure Investigations

[August]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

Why is your Government hiding information?

My government isn't hiding information, at least regarding the destruction of the world trade center buildings.

Do you know why?

Why what?

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by August

My government isn't hiding information, at least regarding the destruction of the world trade center buildings.

Why what?

Ah I forgot.... Anyhow thanks for you answer.

Darn it I knew I missed the sources above. Well back to reading...

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I take it that's the idea that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel?

All I can say to that is - pour petrol on your hand and light it. It won't melt you, but you'll run around a-whoopin' and a-hollerin'. Don't have to melt to be structurally unsound.

And since the talk has turned to conspiracy in general, have one from this week - http://stevequayle.com/News.alert/08...ussia.war.html

Thanks Tchock, that was a brilliant read!

I blame The Illuminanti ! , everyone knows that their behind everything that happens in the world - Of course , Echelon is going to discover my use of the Word "Illumunanti" and their enforcers are going to hunt me down because I've revealed their secret (Echelon was created by the Illuminanti to hunt down those who know too much ).

[August]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

Ah I forgot.... Anyhow thanks for you answer.

Darn it I knew I missed the sources above. Well back to reading...

Enjoy. That stuff tends to put me to sleep.

Oh one more thing before you go:

You said:

Peace August, I support american people.. Not your Government.

Well peace to you too (and i do mean that) but FYI here in the US the people ARE the government. This strange notion you Europeans (I'm assuming you are European since you choose not to let us know in your profile) have that "the Government" is some independent entity with a life of its own is a concept that is barely comprehensible to many of us on this side of the pond.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Whatcha think?

I think he spends too much time on the Internets.

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by August

Enjoy. That stuff tends to put me to sleep.

Oh one more thing before you go:

You said:

Well peace to you too (and i do mean that) but FYI here in the US the people ARE the government. This strange notion you Europeans (I'm assuming you are European since you choose not to let us know in your profile) have that "the Government" is some independent entity with a life of its own is a concept that is barely comprehensible to many of us on this side of the pond.

lol I'm stuned August. I would have thought you have figured out in one of my earlier post that I'm Canadian since you gave me permission to insult the US Media cartels?

Your right technically about the Peoples Government but they are corrupt and still treat the average american like cattle.
Cheers dudes

[Sailor Steve]

One of the problems I have with the conspiracy theories is that of opportunity. For the buildings to collapse due to a controlled detonation, the detonating charges would have to be put into place. By somebody. And how many charges on how many floors would it take? How many somebodies placed these charges without anybody else noticing?

I said it about the disappearance of NASA's moon photos, and I'll say it again here: I'll believe screw-up before I believe cover-up, every time. A cover-up requires dozens, hundreds or even thousands of people to not say a word, ever. A screw-up just requires one or two people to, well, screw up.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I'll believe screw-up before I believe cover-up, every time.

Ding!

A winner

[fatty]

If the U.S. government was diabolical enough to carry out 9/11, I'm sure they would also be diabolical enough to plant WMDs in Iraq after the invasion.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by fatty

If the U.S. government was diabolical enough to carry out 9/11, I'm sure they would also be diabolical enough to plant WMDs in Iraq after the invasion.

Now here's a wise man!

Edit: Don't tase me!!!!!

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by fatty

If the U.S. government was diabolical enough to carry out 9/11, I'm sure they would also be diabolical enough to plant WMDs in Iraq after the invasion.

Ouch! You logic'ed me.

PD