PA planned homicide bombing with pregnant women

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

What kind of comment is that?

A comment in response to http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...415086,00.html.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

What kind of comment is that?

A good one.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

A good one.

A baseless, generalized, rascist comment without any kind of sophistication in it. Thats all it is.

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

A baseless, generalized, rascist comment without any kind of sophistication in it. Its all it is.

Baseless?
You think I haven't seen the racism shown towards Jews by people around that area?

There was an Egyptian and some Lebonese when I was at high school and the way they treated a Jewish student gave me all I needed to have my opinion. Call me a racist? Look at yourself.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Reaves

There was an Egyptian and some Lebonese when I was at high school and the way they treated a Jewish student gave me all I needed to have my opinion.

That chunk relieves me of the burden of responding, cheers

Baseless?

Pretty much.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by Reaves

Baseless?
You think I haven't seen the racism shown towards Jews by people around that area?

There was an Egyptian and some Lebonese when I was at high school and the way they treated a Jewish student gave me all I needed to have my opinion. Call me a racist? Look at yourself.

Dial it back bucko.

For one existance of anti-semitism amongst certain people does not make returned rascism acceptable. Secondly it is a hasty generalization to say that because of one personal experience you can judge an entire people. That in fact is BLATANTLY rascist.

You can make whatever legitimate arguments you want about how the nature of Islamic culture leads to an ingrained intolorance towards alien cultures and how that in turn makes peaceful coexistance difficult or potentially impossible, but you cannot make unsubstantiated and broadly generalized slurs against a collected people. And certainly to do so in passing shows nothing but a lazy hatred.

[Reaves]

How many middle eastern countries agree that Israel has a right to exist? I accept that the majority of muslims and people living in those countries are not fanatical lunatics or the type of people I have met who were racist to the point of hating someone because of their religion. I apologise if I offended anyone but it is MY OPINION which is not baseless or generalised. You can't ignore the fact that Israel is surrounded by potential enemies. To say so is pure idiocy.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by Reaves

You can't ignore the fact that Israel is surrounded by potential enemies. To say so is pure idiocy.

I didn't say anything of the sort.

I was however attacking very specifically your inferred comment about how Palestinians would not show care to Israelis who were injured should the tables be turned. Such statements are both meaningless and also characteristic of how we look at Palestine. These people aren't inhuman. Because Hamas has all the moral integrity of the worst criminals of any nation doesn't mean that every Palestinian shares those feelings. And to suggest otherwise IS generalizing. It is common practise to paint the enemy as a whole with the brush of their worst characters. That simply isn't right.

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

I didn't say anything of the sort.

I was however attacking very specifically your inferred comment about how Palestinians would not show care to Israelis who were injured should the tables be turned. Such statements are both meaningless and also characteristic of how we look at Palestine. These people aren't inhuman. Because Hamas has all the moral integrity of the worst criminals of any nation doesn't mean that every Palestinian shares those feelings. And to suggest otherwise IS generalizing. It is common practise to paint the enemy as a whole with the brush of their worst characters. That simply isn't right.

Perhaps I should have said Hamas instead of Palestinians. I do not take my comment back however I do feel I should have taken more care in wording it. Perhaps a one line comment can't describe what my intended meaning was. But I would doubt many of the middle eastern governments would freely give aid to Israel.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by Reaves

Perhaps I should have said Hamas instead of Palestinians. I do not take my comment back however I do feel I should have taken more care in wording it. Perhaps a one line comment can't describe what my intended meaning was. But I would doubt many of the middle eastern governments would freely give aid to Israel.

Governments are not characteristic of the moral integrity of the populations who support or denounce them. What some Islamic nations do or do not in regards to Israel is not the issue though. The issue is transferring the less than applaudable beahaviors of certain powerful groups onto the shoulders of the majority. Its the old example but its apt: Nobody would say that the German people were as evil as the Nazis. Same thing with the Irish and the IRA or even Quebecois and the FLQ. These reactionary extremists might gain some support from people or even be elected (see Hamas) but that doesn't mean that they are a direct representation of the human qualities of the people who they seek to control, represent, protect, or otherwise influence. In fact the worst transgressions by those groups usually leads to a backlash from the people who once cheered them on.

Further to that Israel will never need aid from Islamic nations. It has the US and the rest of the Western world. Israel exists because of them. The irrigation projects to make Israel into arable land was funded by the British government. Israel has access to the same level of military technology as the US because of their association as allies. It is far more complex than just "they hate the jews".

The issue of the recognition of Israel is another, very complex political one. I have my own accusations against both Israel and Palestine and other influential nations of the world (we shouldn't just mention Islamic nations since there are many more interested parties outside the region). Suffice to say though that my position is that the argument about the creation of Israel belongs in a time when my grandfather was my age. The future is in coexistance.

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

The issue of the recognition of Israel is another, very complex political one. I have my own accusations against both Israel and Palestine and other influential nations of the world (we shouldn't just mention Islamic nations since there are many more interested parties outside the region). Suffice to say though that my position is that the argument about the creation of Israel belongs in a time when my grandfather was my age. The future is in coexistance.

Nonetheless the issue of Israel's recognition is a very important base for my comments. It is an obvious example of why Palestine would be unlikely to aid Israelis.

Now i'm done with my baseless, generalised racist comments.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by Reaves

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Nonetheless the issue of Israel's recognition is a very important base for my comments. It is an obvious example of why Palestine would be unlikely to aid Israelis.

Who says that all Palestinians don't recognize the existance of Israel? Hamas doesn't. One of those distinctions.

The fact is that many proposals have been fronted by arab states and even the PLO, that have accepted Israel's existance with the intent of creating the much spoken of 'two state agreement' and they have been denied by Israel. Unfavourable terms I suppose.

Of course there is the Arab League's proposal from 2002 that includes the promise to normalize relations if Isreal returned to the 1949 armistice line. I believe it received complete support from Arab League states. And an article from April of this year states that a survey shows that 46.7% of people living in Gaza and the West Bank favour the 'two state solution'. Thats hardly enough to say that Israel is the dog it once was in the Middle East back in 67.

If that says anything important to this discussion its that it isn't as simple as saying the arab world wants to destroy Israel.

[cobalt]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by P_Funk

Who says that all Palestinians don't recognize the existance of Israel? Hamas doesn't. One of those distinctions.

The fact is that many proposals have been fronted by arab states and even the PLO, that have accepted Israel's existance with the intent of creating the much spoken of 'two state agreement' and they have been denied by Israel. Unfavourable terms I suppose.

Of course there is the Arab League's proposal from 2002 that includes the promise to normalize relations if Isreal returned to the 1949 armistice line. I believe it received complete support from Arab League states. And an article from April of this year states that a survey shows that 46.7% of people living in Gaza and the West Bank favour the 'two state solution'. Thats hardly enough to say that Israel is the dog it once was in the Middle East back in 67.

If that says anything important to this discussion its that it isn't as simple as saying the arab world wants to destroy Israel.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn't the top problemn anyway. It is the clash between Sunni (Arab League) and shia (Iran supporting Hamas, Hezbollah) Islam. With Iran currently being in the strongest position.

[Takeda Shingen]

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Too-da-loo.

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