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CTD - it's not just a job
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I break things
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Running first test now for damage issues...
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Guys, when adding units to the game.......you need to follow the stock game in ALL aspects. Become familiar with the Stock game units and do the same thing as they did (linking each part to their counter parts within ALL files).
This is one of the issues we've encountered when using "other modders" units. They don't have things correctly "linked", and we end up suffering the consequence in thinking their work is correct.
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The HMS Shannon vs. USS Chesapeake outside Boston Harbor June 1, 1813 USS Chesapeake Captain James Lawrence lay mortally wounded... Quote:
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#5914 |
Gunner
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I decided to give this excellent megamod a try and found it is excellent except for one area - the enemy can detect me passively way too easy.
With no other mods other then this one, I can be submerged, silent running, full stop, and no periscope raised. And I have an excellent track on a merchant that will cross 400 yards in front of me perpendicularly, and 75% of the time as soon as they approach to withing 400 yards they will detect me and start to swerve. If I reload a save and repeat they will detect me passively 3 times out of 4 when the ships approach to within 400 yards. How is this possible when I am making no noise and am completely submerged? How can a mere merchant cruising at 11 knots detect a sub sitting completely still underwater making no noise and doing nothing? This can happen in clear seas or rough. I am a hole in the water with no noise. In fact this just happened with a couple of destroyers in the middle of the ocean. Again I am hole in the water (full stop, silent running, no periscope, etc.) about 1000 yards from their crossing in front of me and all of a sudden I am detected again with passive sonar, there is no active sonar at all. Troubleshooting:
Any suggestions of what to try to mitigate this? I have a save game of this if you want to reproduce this. If I am making noise, on the surface of course I expect detection, but not passively when I am a hole in the water with no periscope even raised. Is this a overzealous detection in Sim.cfg? Looking forward to adjusting this so that the game is fair and not immersion breaking by having super powers. Kind Regards, Koinonos |
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Admiral
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We are too!! Our attention has been on making the numerous ship/plane units that Ultimate has, to "render" as expected (in both capabilities and modeling). Since many are new to the SH4 game, there's been a huge amount of work to get these additions in-game correctly (many are derivatives from SHIII, some are brand new units). But believe me, the mods AI capabilities will be adjusted!! I posted in this thread...."Historicly accurate AI ASW capabilities..." in regards to this very plan of ours, and will be implementing it as time and progress allows. ![]()
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The HMS Shannon vs. USS Chesapeake outside Boston Harbor June 1, 1813 USS Chesapeake Captain James Lawrence lay mortally wounded... Quote:
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#5916 |
Gunner
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
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June, 1942 I detect a single Japanese merchant that is 8nm away, as I begin to maneuver towards him to with plans to submerge at 5nm I suddenly come under accurate fire *way* out of range for a simple Japanese merchant with a deck gun. In face while surfaced I decided to raise my periscope just to see if I could see the merchant and I could not.
So here we have a scenario where a US warship cannot spot and shoot at a simple merchant, but it can spot a submarine and shoot it accurately from 8nm away. Once I realized how ridiculous that was I decided to put a crew on the deck gun to see if they could see them and shoot back.. Nope. A bit overpowered when a merchant can out detect, and outgun a U.S. Warship on full alert during a wartime patrol. ![]() In SH3 GWX and SH5 you can regularly submerge at 5nm away from merchants and 6-8nm away from enemy warships to sneak up on them at that point. Is this an overzealous Sim.cfg setting I can tune down, or is this a setting somewhere else? Senors.sim? |
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#5917 |
Seasoned Skipper
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Location: South Carolina, United States of America
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hello everyone. Im excited to see this mod when its out of beta. Just out of curiosity, what are the plans for the campaign in the game?
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CTD - it's not just a job
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#5919 |
Gunner
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I started a December, 1941 campaign at Midway and was gone long enough on my first and second patrols that I missed the Battle of the Coral Sea (May 3-5th) and the Battle of Midway (June 4-7) even though I was stationed at Midway. I would come back 14-21 days before these events, but the game forces full 28 days in dry dock even if you come back with no battle damage.
Is there a method to edit that time in port? While I am on my 7th patrol, I am tempted to try and peruse the mod files to find where I could shorten the dry dock time to 14 days so that I don't miss key battles and a chance to participate in them. Thanks! Koinonos |
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#5920 |
CTD - it's not just a job
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I would have sworn that it was the UPC.cfg file in the Data / Cfg folder, but it's set to 14 days in mine... I'm doing some Campaign testing for the next version right now, so if I think about it tomorrow, I'll look and see what my turn around time is... What boat are you in Koinonos?
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#5921 |
Gunner
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I chose a Gar class submarine when I selected Midway for the start of my career December, 1941.
What's odd is that looking at UPC.cfg the values are: MinimumDaysInBaseUS=14 MinimumDaysInBaseGE=28 So what makes that a head scratcher is why am I in dry dock 28 days at a time every time? Odd.. ![]() Last edited by Koinonos; 04-29-18 at 01:13 AM. |
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#5922 |
Gunner
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On my way home from my patrol I encountered a solo Japanese Zero scout so I decided to see the game mechanics of engaging planes by giving my new 20mm AA gun upgrade a try.
What I found was that the Japanese Zero planes appear to be immortal. As he would approach the gunner would shoot him until flames were coming from the plane. Then it would simply circle back around and engage the sub again but would be magically healed with no fire and no damage. The plane would get shot up again on fire with flames protruding out of the back and lose altitude, and then would suddenly heal up again, gain altitude, and circle back around. I watch this occur over 15 attack runs and the plane was never destroyed. It was damaged and on fire but never crashed and was never destroyed. |
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#5923 |
CTD - it's not just a job
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The planes are highly evolved from the Trigger Maru Overhauled mod's covey, and used to be known as "Ducimus' Evil Planes". In FotRS, AOTD_MadMax and his wrecking crew got ahold of them, and turned them into "MadMax's Evil Zombie Planes of Death, Destruction, Doom and Despair" (2MEZP4D - I just made that up...
![]() ![]() As with most other portions of the game, we are attempting to find a balance point for all aspects of the mod before we bring it out of 'beta' status. Once we get there, then we'll start working on mods for the player to 'tune' the AI the way they like, whether they think it needs to be easier, harder, or absolutely insanely tough (like zombie planes). Thanks for your reports Koinonos. We appreciate any and all input. We look into all reports and check to see whats going on. We might be a bit getting to this though, since we're trying to hammer out a few issues in the next version - some of them propbeanie-induced (yes, again... sigh). As for the time in-port, can we have other users of the 'beta' report in please? Thanks ![]() |
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#5924 |
Gunner
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I just wanted to say a big Thank You for your time and efforts to the team. You could be playing Mechwarrior, spending time with the family, watching your favorite movies, or a hundred other things other then working on this Mod.
So I hope that my feedback is taken with a spirit of 'oh, by the way' rather then a rant. I work for a software company and I see first hand the work that it takes to bring something to fruition. And I now understand that these are zombie planes. And yes I was just being strafed. All the best, Koinonos |
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#5925 |
CTD - it's not just a job
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Excellent! and thanks for the thanks. I used to work for a software company, and I even understand the devs side of the way the game is, and why it's "stuck" in its current state - not enough time or profit margin involved in fixing it... "We haven't got time to do it right the first time, and we certainly don't have time to fix it!"...
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